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Satori
Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Athens, Greece
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:02 pm Post subject: Kronos restored to a few week earlier status - lost changes |
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Hello fellow musicians,
I took my Kronos to a studio after a couple of years playing only at home. When I turned it on, all my recent changes in sounds were gone. It didn't completely reset. It somehow went some saves back.
Notice that these changes weren't made the last time I turned it on. I was playing with the latest changed sounds for 2-3 weeks. It was turned on and off multiple times these past weeks. All the changes that I had made in previous months/years, were still there. I only lost the recent ones.
It somehow restored itself ot its three weeks earlier status.
Any insight on this? Is this a known bug? Could it be all that moving from the house to the car to the studio etc. that something was shaken inside?
Thank you in advance |
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Falcon2e Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 619 Location: Indiana USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I don’t think it’s a bug. I don’t remember hearing anything about your issue.
Is it possible that you inadvertently loaded an older PCG file while in disk mode? _________________ Kronos2-61..(2) Triton Classic, Nord Stage 2, Previously owned lots of other gear dating back to the 70’s. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Kronos boots off a PCG file.
Thats where the issue likely is
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timg11 Senior Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Another possibility is you ran the editor. I've had the editor overwrite (without warning) the Kronos internal data with the editor's version of the Kronos from the last time the editor was run, which could be weeks or months in the past.
There are some auto-sync settings in the editor that are quite dangerous.
I never start the editor without first creating a PCG backup of the Kronos on disk. _________________ Kronos2 73, Presonus StudioLive, Cakewalk / Sonar Platinum, Windows 10 |
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timg11 Senior Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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GregC wrote: | Kronos boots off a PCG file.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. It may be true that the Kronos has an internal PCG file it loads on boot for programs and combis, but the user doesn't manually have to maintain it.
I know I can save changes to internal programs and combis, turn off the Kronos, and they are still there when the Kronos boots again (Unlike setlists, samples and SEQ data that must be manually saved before turning off power).
Of course it is always advisable to periodically do a Save All to disk to make a backup, and also back up those files to USB drives or over FTP in case the Kronos drive fails. _________________ Kronos2 73, Presonus StudioLive, Cakewalk / Sonar Platinum, Windows 10 |
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Falcon2e Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 619 Location: Indiana USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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timg11 wrote: | Another possibility is you ran the editor. I've had the editor overwrite (without warning) the Kronos internal data with the editor's version of the Kronos from the last time the editor was run, which could be weeks or months in the past.
There are some auto-sync settings in the editor that are quite dangerous.
I never start the editor without first creating a PCG backup of the Kronos on disk. |
I don’t understand... what is “ran the editor”? Maybe I’m missing something I need to know about. _________________ Kronos2-61..(2) Triton Classic, Nord Stage 2, Previously owned lots of other gear dating back to the 70’s. |
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timg11 Senior Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Falcon2e wrote: |
I don’t understand... what is “ran the editor”? Maybe I’m missing something I need to know about. |
The Kronos Editor has features that will automatically load the Kronos from it's saved disk version from a prior session. I think it is meant to "sync", but possibly it gets confused if there is too much time elapsed, or too many changes. My experience has been the state of the Kronos gets overwritten with a prior version. I've been bit a couple times. I think I now have those features disabled, but I still always perform a PCG "backup All" before running the editor. _________________ Kronos2 73, Presonus StudioLive, Cakewalk / Sonar Platinum, Windows 10 |
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Falcon2e Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Feb 2008 Posts: 619 Location: Indiana USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:01 am Post subject: |
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timg11 wrote: | Falcon2e wrote: |
I don’t understand... what is “ran the editor”? Maybe I’m missing something I need to know about. |
The Kronos Editor has features that will automatically load the Kronos from it's saved disk version from a prior session. I think it is meant to "sync", but possibly it gets confused if there is too much time elapsed, or too many changes. My experience has been the state of the Kronos gets overwritten with a prior version. I've been bit a couple times. I think I now have those features disabled, but I still always perform a PCG "backup All" before running the editor. |
Thank you _________________ Kronos2-61..(2) Triton Classic, Nord Stage 2, Previously owned lots of other gear dating back to the 70’s. |
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Satori
Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 25 Location: Athens, Greece
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you all for the replies. What I can say with certainty is that when I make changes to programs/combinations/setlists, I just use the classic "Write" command in the up-right menu and the changes are there in the next boot. That time when I took it to the studio, the recent changes were gone.
I'll keep keep in mind to save the .pcg every now and then.
Thank you, guys |
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AntonySharmman Approved Merchant
Joined: 16 Oct 2010 Posts: 3596 Location: Hellas
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Kronos will never change internally saved PCG data without loading another PCG file accidentally !
I can think only one valid reason that might have caused PCG data loss and this is motherboard's CR2032 battery that might needs to be replaced !
Until this will be addressed , keep on saving only PCG data after any important edit.
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If you manually load KSC files be sure that "Load also PCG file" square box is unchecked , only this can restore your previous PCG settings ... _________________ Music Conductor - Sound Engineer & Developer - Automotive SMPS/RF R&D - Electronics Engineer
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tunaman Senior Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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Satori wrote: | I'll keep keep in mind to save the .pcg every now and then.
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Best advice is to save PCG data religiously, and save unique copies (I prefer Save All in a dated directory under my Backups directory) whenever you are making major changes. |
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