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nonnus



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 1:35 pm    Post subject: genesis sounds Reply with quote

Hello... I'm new in this forum, I aquire recently a krome ex. I wonder if there is anyway to get the sound of a especific song of genesis. The music is "Domino" from the album "Invisible touch" and the sound is something like, i think, a mix of choir\flute\woodwind... I always liked that specific sound but never found it anywhere, even in vst's never found something similar. I wonder if it is somewhere in tony banks sounds around here in the forum.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the forum.

If the sound in question is that found at the beginning of the track, then there is a strong basic similarity to the Poly Moog Strings sound found in the Gary Numan "Cars" song. There is a tutorial for recreating that sound for the Korg Kross here:

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=123225

It should be possible to take the essence of that tutorial and use it to create the sound on the Korg Krome.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the sound starts in the 1st variation of the song, near 1 minute... the examples you give, it is not quite the same... but I could go from there. I lack experience in programing sounds, LFO's, Filters etc, very new in "workstations" also, but as it is usualy said: "we start from somewhere". Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, that sound ~1 minute is quite different from the first. It appears to have been played on a Korg Oasys (in Combi mode) during When in Rome 2007, but the sound could have come from elsewhere, as Banks used the Oasys as a master keyboard.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:48 am    Post subject: ahhh...genesis.. Reply with quote

I've always loved Genesis synth sounds, yet I never heard this song before.
I don't have my headphones on, but from what I can hear, it sounds like a ooh or ahh pad with sort of a bottle/breathiness. Reminds me of the Tears for Fears sound. I think I have something like that on my Triton. IF I get time this weekend, I'll see what I can come up with. If it sounds right, I'll let you know how to create it on the Krome.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

voip wrote:
Ahh, that sound ~1 minute is quite different from the first. It appears to have been played on a Korg Oasys (in Combi mode) during When in Rome 2007, but the sound could have come from elsewhere, as Banks used the Oasys as a master keyboard.

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Thanks...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: ahhh...genesis.. Reply with quote

Tommyboy wrote:
I've always loved Genesis synth sounds, yet I never heard this song before.
I don't have my headphones on, but from what I can hear, it sounds like a ooh or ahh pad with sort of a bottle/breathiness. Reminds me of the Tears for Fears sound. I think I have something like that on my Triton. IF I get time this weekend, I'll see what I can come up with. If it sounds right, I'll let you know how to create it on the Krome.


It is really a great sound... always loved it... and thank you Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:53 am    Post subject: genesis sounds Reply with quote

Well, I know Tony Banks played the sound on an E-Mu Emulator, so it's a sampled sound. It's really a tweaked sound that Tears for Fears used. The breathy choir sound with a slow attack and almost a phaser like effect.
I know the Triton has a sound on it very similar so I tried to recreate it but it's really tricky. The Triton's filters are not very good having only a basic low pass and a low/high pass combo but if you insert a talking mod effect and adjust it just right, you can get pretty close. I'm still trying to perfect it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard that sound in several 80s songs (e.g. intro of Pet Shop Boys "So Hard"). It's sort of a hollow-metallic-breathy-voice. I'm not sure if it's a preset on any particular keyboard. It does remind me of the Ensoniq VFX-SD waveform "VOX-OOHS."

Some multisamples on the Triton Extreme come close:

Vint>140: SynVoice-VS
ROM>117: Voice-Pop Ah
ROM>115: Voice-Pop Ooh
Vint>138: Vocoder-VP

These are also on the Krome, with the same names but different locations.

I tried making a program for this. I copied an existing vocal program and set Basic OSCs to Voice-Pop Ah and SynVoice-VS. I added insert effects chained in order: Talking Modulator, Ensemble, St. Biphase Mod, and Reverb SmoothHall.

Talking Modulator is the main effect to transform a vocal sample. Choose your vowels (they're free) and try changing the other settings like Formant which sets the spectral resonance peak frequency.

The St. Biphase Mod effect adds some motion. Using a wetter value adds a sort of a phaser effect and what sounds like arpeggio/Karma due to the phasing which accentuates particular notes at different times.

In my attempt, I wasn't able to exactly reproduce it. There are nuances in that original waveform which really require you to have a sample that's close to the original, or to be able to recreate the sound parametrically using a similar synthesis model as the original. But regardless, you can still make a quality sound on your Triton Extreme or Krome that's similar but not identical.
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