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blazerunner
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I have to wonder. A lot of you guys are itching for a Kronos replacement... but how many of you have mastered the Kronos and maxed out its capabilities? There's things I'd like to see added and upgraded but the Kronos keeps taking me deeper.
I really wish they did a software update on the Kronos. Feel like so much more could have been drawn out of it by tweeking a few things. |
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Bachus
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| blazerunner wrote: | I have to wonder. A lot of you guys are itching for a Kronos replacement... but how many of you have mastered the Kronos and maxed out its capabilities? There's things I'd like to see added and upgraded but the Kronos keeps taking me deeper.
I really wish they did a software update on the Kronos. Feel like so much more could have been drawn out of it by tweeking a few things. |
Its not about maxing out an instruments capabilities, its about making an instrument work for you, allowing you to be creative..
I for example never used the kronos sequencer.. i have other ways for that..
What i would love to see added to the kronos, giving it another half of a decade of life, is the improvements that the nautilus brought to the GUI..
I guess it will never happen..
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ITguy54
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| blazerunner wrote: | | I have to wonder. A lot of you guys are itching for a Kronos replacement... but how many of you have mastered the Kronos and maxed out it's capabilities? |
How about the power users of Kronos like Jordan Rudess and others? Does Korg want to keep them interested? They’ve probably come as close as any to using all the features. |
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Koekepan
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I can't say that I've seen any sign of KORG bringing anything new to the workstation market in terms of design, integration or - well, much of anything since they released the Krome.
Sure, some new pianos and things for the Nautilus. That's nice, I guess, though hardly epoch-making.
Does anybody have any real evidence to suggest that they haven't just given up on workstations in slow motion, leaving the Nautilus as a sop to the market? |
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blazerunner
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ITguy54 wrote: | | blazerunner wrote: | | I have to wonder. A lot of you guys are itching for a Kronos replacement... but how many of you have mastered the Kronos and maxed out it's capabilities? |
How about the power users of Kronos like Jordan Rudess and others? Does Korg want to keep them interested? They’ve probably come as close as any to using all the features. |
Guys like him are keyboardist that are going to get what they need out of Keyboard and move on. I bet right now any single one of us on here have songs sitting on our Kronos hard drive that would out do anything he has on his because the Kronos is crucial for us to rely on while he has options.
These industry professionals with infinite money can probably walk inside a million dollar studio somewhere and have an intern do what most bedroom and basement producers have to learn to do themselves.
For me I don't have any other options. It's learn the Kronos or bust. When you sit behind a keyboard with that mentality you discover a lot about it. Things that people who have other options won't because they won't feel that same pressure/obligation to learn them.
On that note.. I really wish Korg was like Roland and Akai and got more hands on with their customer base and responded to our request or at least acted like we existed. There's a lot of Kronos questions out there and they've gone abandon or unheard. They don't even provide us with updates anymore and we know the Kronos could use a few updates/programming tweaks & fixes especially on the sequencer side of things.
We all feel kind of in the dark about what the next gen Korg Workstation will be. Will it be the one to answer all of our Kronos complaints. Will it have this feature... that feature... will it allow me to do this... will it allow me to do that... Who knows.
I kind of don't trust Korg's Workstation releases. They end up releasing a slew of variations of the same Keyboard with each fixing problems they should have gotten right from the beginning. First it was the Trinity and then the V3. They fixed the Trinity by making the Triton, then the Triton Studio, the the Triton with the lightbulb in it and so on and so fourth. The Kronos we have the Kronos,the X, Kronos 2, The Titanium, The golden child, the Red one. Yadda Yadda... lets not forget the Kronos is actually the fixed version of the Oasys same way the Triton was the fixed version of the Trinity.
Even if Korg released a new workstation it will be at least half a decade before we get the proper version of it and we all know it. So again I say here we all are with a our Kronos 2's...The true and final form of the Oasys. So what is Korg's next Keyboard after the Oasys project is finally over?
What is their next venture they've been working on after spending 17 years fooling with Oasys technology.
Because as far as I can see the next Keyboard series will most likely be fueling the next 20 years of Korg's Workstations. |
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bpoodoo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Koekepan wrote: | I can't say that I've seen any sign of KORG bringing anything new to the workstation market in terms of design, integration or - well, much of anything since they released the Krome.
Sure, some new pianos and things for the Nautilus. That's nice, I guess, though hardly epoch-making.
Does anybody have any real evidence to suggest that they haven't just given up on workstations in slow motion, leaving the Nautilus as a sop to the market? |
I don't either.
I would even go as far back as Trinity as the baseline of subsequent Korg workstation OSes with the same basic user functions, features and workflow (the sound engines of the OASYS,Kronos,Nautilus being add-ons within that same basic workstation software architecture).
If you know how to use a Trinity you can probably find your way around on a Nautilus or Kronos or Krome or Triton etc. and vice-versa with very little learning curve - assuming you're a user and not a sound designer attempting to master all of the sound engines.
So I don't see the Korg workstation operating system and workflow changing anytime soon - it hasn't changed significantly in 25 years. This could be regarded as consistency or stagnation. If it ain't broke don't fix it, but don't try to improve it either. That's the least effort, lowest risk approach.
I think we reached a technological plateau in about 2005 when CPU processing speed and memory provided the polyphony, effects, and sound variety, and sound quality people longed for in the 80s and 90s. Today a faster CPU and more memory really aren't the game changers they used to be.
No, a new and improved workstation should be less focused on technical specifications (who needs 10,000 arpeggio patterns??) and instead on the user experience: How good does it sound? How streamlined is the workflow? How does it help me be a better musician, songwriter, and performer and not require that I become a computer expert?
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drama1
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| I'm just throwing this in here, but for God's sake, don't make it look like the Nautilus. That has to be one of the worst designs i've seen for a synth. Make the new Kronos as small as possible for easy transport. No one needs wood end caps. Now, the Oasys, that was a sharp looking synth. Okay. That's enough. I'm being shallow. |
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blazerunner
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| drama1 wrote: | | I'm just throwing this in here, but for God's sake, don't make it look like the Nautilus. That has to be one of the worst designs i've seen for a synth. Make the new Kronos as small as possible for easy transport. No one needs wood end caps. Now, the Oasys, that was a sharp looking synth. Okay. That's enough. I'm being shallow. |
I love the wooden ends but maybe Korg should have figure out how to offer a "rack" version of the Kronos. I've seen some peoples Frankenstein inventions and fantasy mock ups that looked pretty cool. |
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Bachus
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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| blazerunner wrote: | | drama1 wrote: | | I'm just throwing this in here, but for God's sake, don't make it look like the Nautilus. That has to be one of the worst designs i've seen for a synth. Make the new Kronos as small as possible for easy transport. No one needs wood end caps. Now, the Oasys, that was a sharp looking synth. Okay. That's enough. I'm being shallow. |
I love the wooden ends but maybe Korg should have figure out how to offer a "rack" version of the Kronos. I've seen some peoples Frankenstein inventions and fantasy mock ups that looked pretty cool. |
A module is allways a good thing, with the limited room people have, its easy to collect modules, where collecting keyboards is a hard thing ..
I have quite a few modules that are here to stay for all time, integra 7, motif XS, Gemini, JD 990, virus, prophet 5… But i swap keyboards like they are boxershorts.
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ITguy54
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| After saying the Kronos 88 is no longer available, one pops up on Sweetwater’s site. They only have one. |
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dfahrner
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| blazerunner wrote: | | ...I bet right now any single one of us on here have songs sitting on our Kronos hard drive that would out do anything he has on his... |
I'd take that bet, and I don't even like Jordan Rudess' music...sorry, but most things I've seen posted here by Kronos users are simple two- or three- chord vamps without much melody or any interesting musical development; they only highlight the (admittedly) beautiful sounds that the Kronos can make...at least Mr. Rudess can play melodies and develop ideas, even if he tries to do it all in just about every solo (every measure?)...
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exsequor699
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| dfahrner wrote: | | blazerunner wrote: | | ...I bet right now any single one of us on here have songs sitting on our Kronos hard drive that would out do anything he has on his... |
I'd take that bet, and I don't even like Jordan Rudess' music...sorry, but most things I've seen posted here by Kronos users are simple two- or three- chord vamps without much melody or any interesting musical development; they only highlight the (admittedly) beautiful sounds that the Kronos can make...at least Mr. Rudess can play melodies and develop ideas, even if he tries to do it all in just about every solo (every measure?)...
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x2. And add to everything, besides being a gear-head and a power software user, JR was a Korg and Kurzweil product specialist. He knows a thing or two about the Kronos, programming, seqs. etc. Long live Kronos! Still the king. |
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Xenophile
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| Bachus wrote: | | I swap keyboards like they are boxershorts. |
Me too. But without the skidmarks.  |
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ITguy54
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| ITguy54 wrote: | | After saying the Kronos 88 is no longer available, one pops up on Sweetwater’s site. They only have one. |
And it’s gone. |
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Stephen Butler
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I have a Kronos 88, ten years old this year, and still going like a banger. I just bought a new 61, possibly one of the last around, and it's already got a fault. An utter shame. Korg are forcing stores not to take the Kronos, it seems, because - YAY! - the Nautilus is out with an updated UI but a cheaper screen with smaller dimensions. A Kronos instrument with a Krome screen. And one extra piano. Nice. That'll keep Korg going for a couple of years before they release the Korg KRETE - a cheap holiday destination of a workstation that will keep you warm and amused with beautiful scenery for two weeks before you have to go home and face the reality that the Kronos pretty much ended the game for the workstation market. Sure, you can increase workflow a bit better, tweak sounds here and there but ultimately what will that achieve? Nothing. Korg are going to have to develop some VSTs, and quickly. I'm sure it won't be long before the VST Kronos/Oasys will be released, to follow the Trinity and Triton ones.
But, I must admit, the two Korgs on my stand do really look the business. They look fantastic. Buying a Nautilus will just make it look like I can't afford a proper Kronos. Oh, well, time to look at the Yamaha Montage, I suppose...x
Cheers,
Stephen
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