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kh_kronos
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 Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:54 am Post subject: Transfer samples from Kontact to Krog Pa4X |
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Hi There...
hope everyone is doing well,
There're some amazing sounds in Kontact, and I want to transfer them to my Korg Pa4X, anyone can help me with that? or can guide me?
thanks in advance. |
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Asena
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| Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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I,m one of the person who can does it, BUT, since there is another Architecture in K5/6 its imposible to have that sound as original on the 4 x, Even K2.
So 1 you cant take copyprotected sounds because of the royality etc.
2 It can not handle that kind of sounds since the size of them.
BASICALLY You CANT!
You can Always resample it, But it will not sound the same.
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You can export the samples from kontakt.
Even the samples from monolith files.
Then, use Awave studio to rebuild each multisample,and export it in korg Kmp+samples .
Then import them in pa4x and build from scratch the program as you wish.
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kh_kronos
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:28 am Post subject: |
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[quote="korg1"]You can export the samples from kontakt.
Even the samples from monolith files.
Then, use Awave studio to rebuild each multisample,and export it in korg Kmp+samples .
Then import them in pa4x and build from scratch the program as you wish.[/quote]
Thank you so much, and really appreciate your reply. Is there any video can help me with that?. |
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Biggles
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AntonySharmman
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are some things you have to know about latest Kontakt libraries.
- The great difference from hardware samplers and VST samplers like Kontakt is the use of script that determines
of how all those samples/multisamples will work according to legato distance switches , AT , crossfades , and all control
switches that will enable specific articulation.
- Pa4X has the best hardware sampler but still not enough to translate all those articulation and legato switches that
Kontakt script provides , so even if you have organized all relative multisamples of all main sound and articulation you
must be an expert sound developer to translate the 60% of script functions and devote hundred of working hours.
- Just exporting hundreds of samples of a highly developed Kontakt library is IMO uselessness since you will get mixed
1000 samples of dry , mixed , mic groups , velocity layers plus all legato switches for an octave plus all articulation , FX
and waveform synthesis samples that is practically impossible to recreate all those decades of multisamples without deep
knowledge of script and editing sounds with Kontakt sampler.
- Exported samples after Kontakt 3 have no loop information so you have to precisely loop all samples from scratch !
- Therefore you will never accomplish to re-create a premium VST kontakt 6 sound library except if you will just re-sample
all Velocity layers , basic legato , releases and all articulation switches with relative external utilities and create from scratch
all needed SOUND with special 24 OSC architecture in Pa4X due to get closer to VST audition.
- In headline , this is the main reason you will never see a utility that will translate Kontakt sampler contents for hardware
samplers like Pa4/5X , Kronos and Yamaha.
Hope this helps
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Indianstyles
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| Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:10 pm Post subject: Extreme sample converter |
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| You can use kontakt vst sample or any vst library sample into korg with extreme sample converter and awave studio plz check both softwares of you had any issue you can contact me on +919899642434 |
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Asena
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| AntonySharmman wrote: | There are some things you have to know about latest Kontakt libraries.
- The great difference from hardware samplers and VST samplers like Kontakt is the use of script that determines
of how all those samples/multisamples will work according to legato distance switches , AT , crossfades , and all control
switches that will enable specific articulation.
- Pa4X has the best hardware sampler but still not enough to translate all those articulation and legato switches that
Kontakt script provides , so even if you have organized all relative multisamples of all main sound and articulation you
must be an expert sound developer to translate the 60% of script functions and devote hundred of working hours.
- Just exporting hundreds of samples of a highly developed Kontakt library is IMO uselessness since you will get mixed
1000 samples of dry , mixed , mic groups , velocity layers plus all legato switches for an octave plus all articulation , FX
and waveform synthesis samples that is practically impossible to recreate all those decades of multisamples without deep
knowledge of script and editing sounds with Kontakt sampler.
- Therefore you will never accomplish to re-create a premium VST kontakt 6 sound library except if you will just re-sample
all Velocity layers , basic legato , releases and all articulation switches with relative external utilities and create from scratch all needed
SOUND with special 24 OSC architecture in Pa4X due to get closer to VST audition.
- In headline , this is the main reason you will never see a utility that will translate Kontakt sampler contents for hardware
samplers like Pa4/5X , Kronos and Yamaha.
Hope this helps |
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Korghelper
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Copyright only applies to firstly, if you didn’t pay for the Kontact guitars in the first place, and secondly, if you attempt to either openly distribute or even worse, try to sell your PA4X conversions.
But on the whole, for your own personal use, you can pretty much do what the hell you want to with a set of samples that you have legitimately purchased. |
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Transfer samples from Kontact to Krog Pa4X |
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| kh_kronos wrote: | | .. some amazing sounds in Kontact, and I want to transfer them to my Korg Pa4X ... |
Unfortunately I don't know Kontakt, but as is often described in forums: Maschine would allow experimenting with musical ideas if using patterns and variations to record audio from Kontakt.
You can start with a very basic beat and then expand on it with additional patterns and variations. This is how you build your track step by step. Press pattern on the controller and with patterns of current group - displayed on the pads - you now can create, duplicate an switch between patterns.
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If you want to have WAV-files for your arranger, put one note in a one-bar-pattern, use AUDIO drag-drop from the original pad into another. In sampling right-click the waveform and select "save take as" and save it.
If you want to make all your sounds use the audio drag-and-drop to a new pad, edit all samples you need for normalizing and truncating and save the project with samples, that now will be inside a sample-subfolder.
If Kontakt Player doesn't save 'Pattern Player' signal ? (how?) maybe in Kontakt's Options->Engine the option to send MIDI to outside world (script generated CCs and notes) is not set.
The Maschines sound format also stores the FX, so you can tweak it (EQ, saturation ..) later instead adding it destructively to the WAVs. That allows to access to the original WAV sound you want to use for Pa4x.
Hope that would help to copy Audio-WAVs from Kontakt - but only with copies of Audio-WAVs of course it is not possible to re-create a Kontakts library originally with a Pa-Arranger (I don't think anyone expects that either ).
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:40 pm Post subject: transfer amazing sounds to Pa-Arranger |
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| AntonySharmman wrote: | ..... great difference from hardware samplers and VST samplers like Kontakt is the use of script that determines
of how all those samples/multisamples will work according to legato distance switches , AT , crossfades , and all control switches that will enable specific articulation.... |
Hello Anthony,
many thanks for your helpful explanations.
A problem always will apply if it is intended to transfer amazing sounds from another system.
Audio data (PCM files, WAV files, audio files, etc.) can be transferred, but generating sounds for another system is hard work and less effective without detailed knowledge of the different formats.
It is off-topic, but also Sf2-sounds consist not only of PCM data (sdta list), and their extensive parameters are described in separate lists (pdta list with preset, instrument and sample header data)
There are no conversion programs for this either and the import in the Pa-Arranger is not sufficient for this, so that the listed parameters of sf2 data have to be reworked separately with the sound editor. Mainly the PCM data is imported, but this is not sufficient to copy the sound as intended.
If the parameters are used for a good sounding, it is also necessary to know how to optimally implement them for use in the Pa-arranger. If importing a large sf2 library, it not only requires detailed knowledge of the structure of the sf2 data format, but also many hours of work - the same applies to formats sfz etc.
sf2: http://www.synthfont.com/SFSPEC21.PDF
sfz: https://sfzformat.com/legacy/
WAV: http://www.piclist.com/techref/io/serial/midi/wave.html
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