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Pedja
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 Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 12:25 pm Post subject: Roland Fantom 06, 07, 08 |
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Hello,
To everyone on the forum.
I am interested in your opinion of Roland Phantom 0. A new series that presents a desecrated version of Roland Phantom.
I wonder if anyone has been able to try this instrument:
1. Keyboard quality, especially on version 06 (61. keys). Is it similar to the FA series keyboard (meaning very bad), or is it better?
2. Comparison with Kronos, in terms of the quality of individual sounds and combinations.
3. General impression compared to Kronos.
Thank in advance.
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Sharp
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For me I’ve only one comment. The Fantom is basically like a one stop shop for everything Roland released over the last 30 years. Because of that it sounds old and dated in a good way. I’d have a place for in my studio. For me the Integra 7 offers me just the right amount of that Roland legacy.
But if you are looking for something new and fresh, a Fantom is probably the last place I’d ever look.
Just my opinion. Each to their own.
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blazerunner
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They're apples and oranges approach to the same goal.
Roland offers a more user friendly playing experience while the Kronos is a deeper dive. Roland's aim with the Fantom series was to make it a quicker instrument to get playing on. I believed they took that concept from the Jupiter 80 and run with it. The JP-80 was aimed at being "stage friendly" and giving a player quick access to getting into the keyboard and playing sounds BUT it wasn't a work station.
They took that idea and implemented it into a workstation by offering the quicker work flow but as a workstation this time. So keep that in mind. It's going to feel like a performance synth with workstation power.
Compared to the Kronos the Kronos is old and less streamlined. You'd have a more modern experience playing with the Fantom as it offers more modernized features.
Roland Fantom has Zencore and the sounds in the Fantom you'll find are spread wide within the Zencore realm of things like in the MC-808 but the Fantom has the power of Roland Cloud behind it so you can get all that extra goodness in there.
Just talking about sound specifically. You get a Roland for Roland sounds and you get a Korg for Korg sounds. Both the Kronos and the Fantom have "retro sounds" as the Kronos likes to toss in older "Korg analog sounds" but the KRonos likes to mimic other gear like Moog,DSI and even Roland.
With Roland it's just going to be about Rolands legacy products so you'll get all the Juno's,Jupiters, SH's etc. etc. that you can handle.
I wouldn't be put back by it being a "kickdown" version of the big boy fantoms. It has a lot of features in tact but it's zencore and cloud access won't fail you if you think you'll run out of sounds to play.
I love Roland just as Much as Korg. Think I own their products equally but I will say that you buy a Roland because you want the Roland library of sounds which will be their classic analog keyboards and their notorious strings,piano's,and brass selections.
The Kronos is like a jack of all trades but the Fantom is like the Jack of all "Roland Trades". if that makes any sense.
I had looked into the Fantom myself but I found it overlaps with the Kronos for me and what I like to do. I set my goals aimed at the Jupiter X since it's the same Roland zen-core analog sounds but on fake analog steroids. |
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Pedja
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Scott
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2022 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: Roland Fantom 06, 07, 08 |
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| Pedja wrote: | | 1. Keyboard quality, especially on version 06 (61. keys). Is it similar to the FA series keyboard (meaning very bad), or is it better? |
I would say action is no better than FA.
| Pedja wrote: | | 2. Comparison with Kronos, in terms of the quality of individual sounds and combinations. |
That's too subjective to definitively answer, and can also vary with which sounds you're comparing, i.e. you might like certain kinds of sound better on the Korg and other kinds of sounds better on the Roland. Though overall, I think Korg has the edge, at least technically, as you might see from my comparison of sound engines below.
| Pedja wrote: | | 3. General impression compared to Kronos. |
Broadly speaking, in terms of features/functions (as opposed to sounds), Roland has advantages in lighter travel weight, and a simpler workflow with a more modern on-screen interface and better design/layout/ergonomics for its hard controls. Kronos has tons more capacity for sample data (streaming SSD vs. 256 mb for user samples and expansions), KARMA, aftertouch, and while I don't have first-hand experience with Roland's Scene Chain feature, my impression is it's still not as nice as Korg's Set List function.
Sonically, they both have a wide variety of sound engines optimized for different kinds of sounds.
Kronos has:
... dedicated piano engine (SGX-2)
... hybrid sampled/modeled EP engine (EP-1)
... clonewheel organ engine (CX-3)
... PCM (sample-based) engine (HD-1), up to 8 velocity layers
... FM synthesis engine (MOD-7)
... multiple VA synth engines (AL-1, and the specific models MS-20ex, PolysixEX)
... modeled plucked string engine (STR-1)
Roland Fantom-0 has:
... clonewheel organ engine (VTW) - though only 8 real-time sliders instead of 9
... PCM (sample-based) engine (ZEN-Core's PCM side), up to 4 velocity layers
... numerous hybrid sampled/modeled acoustic instrument emulations (SuperNATURAL piano, Rhodes, electric bass, harp, ensemble strings, solo strings, solo brass, voices, sax, wind)
... multiple synth engines (ZEN-Core's VA side, and at optional cost, the specific VA models JUNO-106, Jupiter 8, JX-8P, and SH-101) |
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