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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10393
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:02 am Post subject: New gear G.A.S. reflux!! |
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Hi guys,
Firstly, sincerely hope you're all staying well and safe.
Well all this talk about new gear and watching a couple of current NAMM vids has caused my G.A.S. problem to rear its head again.
So I thought, maybe it's time to "refresh" my KK1 (let alone upgrade my PA4x to PA5x etc...etc..).
But what is there out there to come close to the KK?
I thought that maybe I should give the Nautilus a fair hearing but then as we all know, the basic reviews/descriptions are much like this (and don't get me wrong, it is a very nice piece of gear):
SOS a year ago wrote: | The Nautilus is, in essence, a Kronos that has gained a polyphonic arpeggiator but has lost KARMA, aftertouch, a wealth of top panel controls and about a third of the price. Although it looks a bit Spartan, it clearly sits between the top end of the Krome range and the Kronos itself, although much closer to the latter. |
So I jammed away heavily last night on my KK1 and came to the conclusion that changing at all right now might be a regretful backwards step.
All I could do is add to my gear and that involves divorce lawyers
I have thought about a switch to Yamaha or Roland but end up wanting to ADD those and not replace my KK.
Am I alone feeling like this - am I seriously missing some amazing KK replacements out there?
Sorry, just waffly topic.
Take care
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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KK Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2016 Posts: 1416
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Nah.
To me, my KK is the most versatile and, especially, inspiring digital instrument ever. I enjoy playing it every time. Just the best. _________________ My Kronos 7 |
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pete.m Senior Member
Joined: 05 Apr 2013 Posts: 482
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I'm with KK. There are many other ways of making music, of course, but I haven't come across anything that can replace the Kronos in terms of workflow, sequencing and synths. I do add other modules into the mix from time to time, just to add new elements.
If you're restless and willing to risk a mild GAS attack and the divorce lawyers, maybe you could branch out just a little. I have a very limited, separate, set up where I just use one small synth (maybe a K-Station or a Microfreak or something, put through a Hologram Microcosm or a Kaoss KP3) and improvise pieces using a digital multitrack. Generally, I'll leave them raw - just as they've come out - but occasionally I'll transfer one of these pieces into the Kronos and work on it some more. Very rarely, I'll make a piece in Ableton, but I much prefer to stick with hardware than stare at screens. |
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Sharp Site Admin
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 18197 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:47 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | But what is there out there to come close to the KK? |
The mere fact that this is difficult to answer after the KRONOS being on the market for over a decade is so sad. So much for competition.
These days the only real competition is in software. An iPad or a Computer running VST’s seems to be the only place where there’s seriously high end innovation and competition.
Kind regards
Sharp. |
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pete.m Senior Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:53 am Post subject: |
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True. |
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nitecrawler Platinum Member
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 971 Location: from a mile high to the the AZ desert
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Interesting situation for those Kronos owners out there because the KK is getting long in the tooth hardware-wise. For me, I never looked back when I purchased the Nautilus. But I did not give up my Oasys. One thing to consider are the new sounds that are in the Nautilus; for they are unique and a good start off point for future sound development. The price is a point to consider as well. Often hardware purchases are emotional especially when we see our "pet" keyboard being set to the side in the name of progress. Oasys owners used simular objections when presented with the choice to go with the KK and shelve their Oasys boards. There really is not that much difference between the Nautilus and the Oasys, in my opinion; but I am happy to have both in the studio. GAS is always with us in some form or another. My GAS, now is directed towards the "unannounced" Pa5X and the OB-X8. And not an inexpensive one either. _________________ http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=807494
Montage M7, Pa5x76, Nautilus, PA3Xle, Oasys 76, Mini-Moog, EMU Audity 2000, Motion Sound KBR 3D amp, Presonus and Reaper DAW W/Tannoy Reveal 501A powered monitors |
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Mike Conway Approved Merchant
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 2431 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2022 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: New gear G.A.S. reflux!! |
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karmathanever wrote: |
Am I alone feeling like this - am I seriously missing some amazing KK replacements out there?
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Nope. The Kronos is irreplaceable, at this time, as far as I'm concerned. |
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1367 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Nothing to supersede either the Kronos or OASYS as far as I can find.
I’d be happy if someone made a decent hardware multitrack with MIDI at this stage… _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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Koekepan Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Posts: 616
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Have you checked out the Zoom R20? It's not a complete stranger to MIDI, and it will suck in audio with conviction. I'm not sure how much MIDI control it offers, because I tend to coordinate things external to my Tascam MTR with MIDI, and then not worry about timing correction. |
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jimknopf Platinum Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sharp wrote: | Quote: | But what is there out there to come close to the KK? |
The mere fact that this is difficult to answer after the KRONOS being on the market for over a decade is so sad. So much for competition.
These days the only real competition is in software. An iPad or a Computer running VST’s seems to be the only place where there’s seriously high end innovation and competition.
Kind regards
Sharp. |
Well said! _________________ Kronos 73 - Moog Voyager RME - Moog LP TE - Behringer Model D - Prophet 6 - Roland Jupiter Xm - Rhodes Stage 73 Mk I - Elektron Analog Rytm MkII - Roland TR-6s - Cubase 12 Pro + Groove Agent 5 |
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19naia Platinum Member
Joined: 29 Nov 2012 Posts: 1216
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Just maybe(as i swallow back my impulse to politely insult korg) if all the other big name brands in the business have not been able to reasonably take the state of the art beyond what Kronos did 10 years ago, just maybe, even Korg needs serious time and work to outdo the Kronos with a worthy replacement…?
Perhaps something to set the bar for another 10 or 20 years, or lead the whole industry in a new direction? And that would need no hurry when you consider Kronos is still among the top tier despite others trying to do better.
Yep….probably just as hard for Korg to outdo Kronos, as it has been for the competition. But it can be done, with enough time and work. And maybe too much money. ? |
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hermanmusic Junior Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 74 Location: Florida, U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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SeedyLee wrote: | Nothing to supersede either the Kronos or OASYS as far as I can find.
I’d be happy if someone made a decent hardware multitrack with MIDI at this stage… |
Yes and yes again! _________________ Kronos 2-88, 01/Wfd, Virus TI Desktop, Casio VZ-10M,
Event 20/20bas, Reverb 4000, Many Stompboxes - |
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stuartpryer Approved Merchant
Joined: 10 Jan 2002 Posts: 359 Location: Cornwall - U.K.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2022 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I had an Oasys and it was superb. Id love korg to produce an Oasys 2. With the same build quality. Using most of the Nautilus software. With a hinged hd screen 13 inch, ability to plug in a bigger monitor, ability to play vsts natively so you could add wavestate etc. it would be expensive. But most of the R and D has been done by korg. Id prefer an updated 88note action like the Roland pha5 with with aftertouch. And a high quality 61 note or 76 note synth action version with aftertouch. Im probably dreaming?
Cheers
Stuart
_________________ Stuart Pryer
Triton Controller, Midi toolbox and Fractal Sequencer Software
web site https://stuartpryer.co.uk
e-mail stuartpryer@gmail.com
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10393
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:40 am Post subject: |
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stuartpryer wrote: | Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post Delete this post View IP address of poster
I had an Oasys and it was superb. Id love korg to produce an Oasys 2. With the same build quality. Using most of the Nautilus software. With a hinged hd screen 13 inch, ability to plug in a bigger monitor, ability to play vsts natively so you could add wavestate etc. it would be expensive. But most of the R and D has been done by korg. Id prefer an updated 88note action like the Roland pha5 with with aftertouch. And a high quality 61 note or 76 note synth action version with aftertouch. Im probably dreaming? |
Hmmm, I'm dreaming with you for sure..... wouldn't that be the ultimate!!!!
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Sharp Site Admin
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 18197 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:27 am Post subject: |
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A KRONOS replacement is in theory a very simple thing.
1: A 64Bit OS allowing for more RAM to be installed and addressed for streaming samples.
2: Add 3 new engines, Wavestate, ModWave, OpSix.
That alone would do it for me.
To throw the ultimate cherry on top, give it the ability to host VST’s.
Sharp. _________________
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