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filipe_l
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 Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:40 am Post subject: Echo drums |
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| Sometimes I get some kind of echo in drums of my imported styles and it is not any master or insert effects.I don't know how to remove this. Anyone with this issue? |
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pawlikp100
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filipe_l
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| Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| No. It doesn't have also |
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filipe_l
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iOpus
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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You're right. I noticed the same thing a while ago. I also noticed that there is an echo that does not exist in the effect settings. It is also found on the 4 pads.
It's a flagship keyboard and wants to reward us with a plus effect for the money we overpaid. He just wants to repay us in some way.
Excuse my satire and humor. That's where the matter has come.
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Echo drums |
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| filipe_l wrote: | | Sometimes I get some kind of echo in drums of my imported styles and it is not any master or insert effects.I don't know how to remove this .... |
Samples maybe unprocessed (»Dry«), finely polished (»Wet«) and provided with creative effects (»FX«).
If you get a kind of echo drums without master or insert effects and also without Ambiance effects of drumeditor, you cannot remove its echo, because maybe your instruments of a drumkit use samples recorded with effects (wet or FX).
Your echo drums maybe samples of drumkits that are not recorded to be finished with dedicated effects, but are recorded with use of reel-to-reel tape machines, magnetic tapes or similar technologies.
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If effect can rebuilt easily, then samples would be recorded dry. When the effect is an integral part of the sound design it is recorded as a wet sample and its effect settings can not be removed later.
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However, as pawlikp100 has already informed, the echo probably comes from the effects of the drum editor. Try to set the "AmbienceVolume" slider of the relevant drum-family to zero and you will get the drum-instrument "dry" without environment and mechanical noise, that maybe was added with drum-editor.
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iOpus
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Echo drums |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | filipe_l wrote: | | Sometimes I get some kind of echo in drums of my imported styles and it is not any master or insert effects.I don't know how to remove this .... |
Samples maybe unprocessed (»Dry«), finely polished (»Wet«) and provided with creative effects (»FX«).
If you get a kind of echo drums without master or insert effects and also without Ambiance effects of drumeditor, you cannot remove its echo, because maybe your instruments of a drumkit use samples recorded with effects (wet or FX).
Your echo drums maybe samples of drumkits that are not recorded to be finished with dedicated effects, but are recorded with use of reel-to-reel tape machines, magnetic tapes or similar technologies.
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If effect can rebuilt easily, then samples would be recorded dry. When the effect is an integral part of the sound design it is recorded as a wet sample and its effect settings can not be removed later.
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However, as pawlikp100 has already informed, the echo probably comes from the effects of the drum editor. Try to set the "AmbienceVolume" slider of the relevant drum-family to zero and you will get the drum-instrument "dry" without environment and mechanical noise, that maybe was added with drum-editor. |
Not my friend. We have a little more experience and we can recognize what you are talking about.
On Pa4x they were (drums, pads) 100% dry, then they get an effect and it is not surprising that much. Well, let's hope and be reasonable if by chance they solve this problem in an update next year or in the coming year, when it's his turn, so it's not a few bugs, isn't it.
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AntonySharmman
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| Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2022 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Echo drums |
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| filipe_l wrote: | Sometimes I get some kind of echo in drums of my imported styles and it is not any master or
insert effects.I don't know how to remove this .... |
A PaSeries feature in drumkits since Pa3X is ambient samples of DK elements , a feature that was never provided
to users for custom samples as the new added 4 levels Round-Robin.
Your custom styles are using factory DKs samples and in Pa5X in the same DKs that exist in Pa4X , they have added
extra ambient samples of DK elements.
Advanced users know that feature and it's not a bug or malfunction , so if this disturbs you (as siebenhirter wrote)
you edit DK from sound edit , remove ambient samples or reduce their volume in mix for all elements and velocities
and then save it in User DK.
IMO a definitely silly thing to do since ambient samples are the real environment effects that are used in expensive
VST drums & percussion and provide the natural room environment of native instruments that can't be precisely
replicated by common extra FX.
Hope this helps
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filipe_l
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| I am noticing this in every kit I select in the same style so must be some hidden parameter inside the style |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| filipe_l wrote: | | I am noticing this in every kit I select in the same style so must be some hidden parameter inside the style |
Explore the DK you use in this Style at REC / Edit Sound and you will see that all Latin percussion have
Ambient sound samples attached in every element.
Also check in your Styles "insert" FX in DK track if you listen to similar things.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| If I edit the same drumset I do not hear any effect |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Then there is an insert effect in Style DK track that adds this.
But as I have written , do not convert older PaSeries Styles until new OS v.1.1 , there are a lot of most important
issues you can find in custom Styles with current OS.
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filipe_l
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| Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| AntonySharmman wrote: | Then there is an insert effect in Style DK track that adds this.
But as I have written , do not convert older PaSeries Styles until new OS v.1.1 , there are a lot of most important
issues you can find in custom Styles with current OS. |
I am not converting, I am importing from a midi with markers |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:09 pm Post subject: Re do not convert older PaSeries Sty |
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| filipe_l wrote: | | .. I am not converting, I am importing from a midi with markers |
Importing a SMF separated by markers also means to do a data conversion.
During the import procedure there are some events stripped off the sequence, other events are automatically transferred to the Style Element or Pad header. Sounds assigned to tracks are only imported, provided the Program Change, Bank Select MSB and LSB events are on the first ‘tick’ of the SMF or are overridden by Sounds of Style Settings, in case Original Sound Set parameter is not checked - and at least importing Midi events, only events allowed for recording are imported from SMF ....
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filipe_l
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2022 6:35 am Post subject: Re: Re do not convert older PaSeries Sty |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | filipe_l wrote: | | .. I am not converting, I am importing from a midi with markers |
Importing a SMF separated by markers also means to do a data conversion.
During the import procedure there are some events stripped off the sequence, other events are automatically transferred to the Style Element or Pad header. Sounds assigned to tracks are only imported, provided the Program Change, Bank Select MSB and LSB events are on the first ‘tick’ of the SMF or are overridden by Sounds of Style Settings, in case Original Sound Set parameter is not checked - and at least importing Midi events, only events allowed for recording are imported from SMF .... |
I don't have any effect controller that may cause this happen so it must be any kind of effect come in the system exclusive message |
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