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missing updates for midrange Pa1000/700

 
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siebenhirter
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:13 pm    Post subject: missing updates for midrange Pa1000/700 Reply with quote

Hello,
the main system components of the midrange models Pa1000/700 hardly differ from those installed in the Pa5x.
Some details found --> http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=820245#820245

Due to the delivery bottlenecks for electronic components, the Pa5x will obviously not be delivered either - regardless of the fact that there are obviously difficulties with the programming of the software.

However, it is incomprehensible to me why since years there are no updates to the Pa1000/700 midrange models that have been on the market for years, with which the performance of the built-in hardware is taken into account.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can hope, But then again if we was to get an update now, would it be full of bugs like then Pa5x
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:06 pm    Post subject: Pa5x nowhere to found - Pa1000 Update nowhere to found Reply with quote

NativeAngels wrote:
We can hope, But then again if we was to get an update now, would it be full of bugs like then Pa5x


This risk is present with every update, but there is also the possibility of going back to the previously working OS version.

With Pa1000 long overdue update, there is no fear that it would be full of bugs, because no data formats have to be changed for this.
There were also no bugs with the Pa4x-OS-next, which realised, for example:
- the look for its graphical interface become more attractive and easy to use
- Keyboard Sets 1-4 Lock added
- Digital Drawbars page revised, its sound quality also has been refined
- a new Rotary FX Set page has been added
- Fill Mode parameters have been added to Style Controls etc.

In contrast to the Pa4x, IMHO no any new midrange models are necessary due to outdated hardware, because this is just as up-to-date as that of the Pa5x.
However, the midrange series lacks an OS update adapted to the performance of the hardware.

The fact that this doesn't happen cannot be excused with delivery bottlenecks - and once these delivery bottlenecks have ended, if current mid-range Korg models are used or purchased, they should be equipped with a stable, correspondingly powerful OS.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m sure it’s not that difficult to adapt the os next for Pa1000 and Pa700 owners.

Just like the absence of Bonusware styles, I bet if and when they release new sets they will be only of the Pa5x
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im quite sure that Korg doesnt give a damn about "old" keyboard users.... as it was until now.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:06 pm    Post subject: missing updates for midrange Pa1000/700 Reply with quote

NativeAngels wrote:
I’m sure it’s not that difficult to adapt the os next for Pa1000 and Pa700 owners. ..... like the absence of Bonusware styles, I bet if and when they release new sets they will be only of the Pa5x

Equipping the mid-range arranger Pa1000/700 with os-next is certainly no greater effort than with the Pa4x.
Korg had plenty of time to do it, but still didn't do it.
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The reasons for this are unknown - and unfortunately, KORG does not discuss it with its customers.
The distributors also have - with a few exceptions such as ev Korg UK - nothing left over an exchange of interests with customers.
That's a bad sign, because Korg also dissolved the Korg Forum (GER), Korg Italy seems dead, and User "Biggles" (GB) postet: "One thing that did come up during the Crowdcast was that all the prior ones are no longer available. Also the korgworld website is no more. There also seems to be Management and organisational changes that have taken place."

It is also believable that "korgworld may have been initiated by a staff member of Korg UK and that said person is now no longer a member of staff".
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If we hope that Korg will not disband with their "Pa-Arrangers" product line, but will deploy a crew of programmers who can deal with development tools for ARM-A15, DSP instruction set (C66x compat. C67x/64x), C compiler and debugging of its source code, the continuation of the Pa-Arranger product line should be possible.
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neverkorgagain wrote:
.. quite sure that Korg doesnt give a damn about "old" keyboard users.... as it was until now.....

If the product line Pa-Arrangers is continued, the mid-range models Pa1000/700 are not "old" keyboards, because due to the serial numbers used from 40,000 its Hardware (SoC AM571x) is at the same technological level as the Pa5x (SoC AM572x). The Pa5x and Pa1000/700 SoCs only differ in terms of dual-core/single-core subsystems, with the Pa5x's dual-core system being twice as powerful - but it does not differ on a technological level which both last was revised in November 2019.
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It would be illogical to expect a successor to the midrange series if they are equipped with the same technology as the prof series.

The mid-range models were equipped with software migrated from the predecessors with a low performance untypical for the used hardware. In the initially delivered Pa5x, only the optical possibilities of the display were implemented in the program. The functionality was limited to the essentials, again the performance of the hardware was not taken into account.
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Korg has made good use of proprietary tone generator/DSP chips in the past, but may not (yet) be able to harness the power of the current ARM Cortex-A15 based SoCs (system-on-chip architecture). These offer excellent development platforms, hardware, open source software and tools to simplify design and development processes in order to quickly bring even complexly developed products to market.

The SoC (AM572x/AM571x) used in Pa5x/1000/700 are powerful, suitable for real-time applications and to run with Linux or Win10. They are specially optimized for multimedia applications and for the calculation of audio data (advantageous for MP3 decoding, for example) and can process multiple data in parallel while also having computing time available for other tasks.

So that there is no loss of performance when calculating audio data (or graphics), the programmer must of course know the command sets for instructions (e.g. for vector calculations) and also use them. It is therefore important for them to use the existing integrated DSP extensions and use them to increase performance for multimedia applications.

neverkorgagain wrote:
Do you people really believe in "global chip shortage" ..

The recent dilemna with the Pa-arrangers is not the hardware of the Pa-arrangers - and probably not due to supply bottlenecks, which according to cautious forecasts will disappear again - but in how application software for the hardware is programmed.
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Korg should therefore strive to raise the Pa5x to a performance level with software that corresponds to the hardware used.

It shouldn't be difficult to do this also with the mid-range models based on the experience they hopefully can acquire from the applications of the Pa5x.


If there are troubles with development departments in the EU or US, then it would be wise for KORG to set up a department somewhere else (Japan) with programming staff worthy of the name, rather than dubbing their distributors "SalesManager" or illegal price monitoring techniques to use![i]
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