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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 5:16 pm    Post subject: Leaving Korg Reply with quote

I am seriously considering getting away from Korg, selling my PA5X-76 and moving onto a solid company like Yamaha for its superior customer support, numerous 3rd party apps and "clubs" that you can join to get registrations, tips & tricks. I might even consider getting a Ketron event until the next Genos release.

I don't see Korg improving as they have not listened to us and are probably heading downward, especially as loyal Korgies are jumping ship...not a good sign at all, but it is what it is!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, 3 more
Friends of mine have also left Korg.
Me,,, yes I’m
Also dripping this and trying to go over to Yamaha or Ketron.

This can’t be the Korg I was in love with.
Not even close.
What will they say now,
Well I really don’t care about that 😜
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Leaving Korg Reply with quote

usaraiya wrote:
I am seriously considering getting away from Korg, selling my PA5X-76 and moving onto a solid company like Yamaha for its superior customer support, numerous 3rd party apps and "clubs" that you can join to get registrations, tips & tricks. I might even consider getting a Ketron event until the next Genos release.

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Hi Uday,
If you’re after clubs, you may need to do some checking if they actually exist for Ketron. Years ago when I had my sd1, they didn’t, but that could have changed since then. You do have AJ from ajamsonic, in USA, who seems o be very helpful according to some of my old Synthzone friends.

As for Yamaha keyboards, they have a fantastic club in psr tutorial, as far as I’m aware, Yamaha themselves don’t have any input into the club. It’s the members who are the helpful ones.

Not sure which apps you’re referring to, ie the ones put out by Yamaha themselves or ones put out by wonderful people like Jorgen Sorensen (the unofficial Yamaha keyboard resource site).
These apps started appearing about 20 years ago, a number of them are to make styles editable. Some you really can’t do without if you’re heavily into editing styles.
As for playing features, wish Korg had registrations like Yamaha’s, sync start for pads.

Don’t envy you having to make the choice of whether to stay with Korg or start fresh with Yamaha or Ketron.

Personally I have the best of both worlds. I have my PA5x , (just hoping they start to sort things out in the next update, even though I’m one of the few that isn’t complaining YET) and I have my Yamaha sx900. I asked the question on the forum in regards to sound quality Genos vs sx900 ie if there is a HUGE difference in sound, majority said no, but Genos has sounds and drum kits that the sx doesn’t. That helped me decide whether to wait around for another few months or year or 2 till a new Genos is announced or hang onto my sx900 and go for the Korg. I decided on the Korg.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Rikki,

Thank you for that!
There are websites like Genos Magic, and Genos Club, etc. Both of these support genos, tyros and PSR series.

https://www.genosmagic.com/

https://www.patreon.com/Genosclub

They offer products and services that may be useful to some.

AJs support for Ketron has been very good, although my first choice will be the new genos when it is released.
I don't know what has happened to Korg, but they are not the same as the "old" Korg; and I don't like the new one!

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Uday , thank you for the links, wasn’t aware of the club.
Genos magic products are also available for Korg , pax magic. I bought them for my Pa4x
As for AJ, he’s been promoting the Event , he has a number of utube clips. I stopped watching , Ketron probably not an option for me , though I’d love an arranger module version when they eventually bring one out. Over here, the distributors have not been reliable. Another new one, hopefully this one is ok. Wish we had an AJ.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KORG has an excellent track record in supporting products over their lifespan by releasing new features through OS updates. In fact, they are untouchable in this regard.

Yamaha and KETRON has never in all their history done anything to match KORG in this area.

So, my 2 cents. If you own a Pa5X, or if you are planning on buying one, based on KORG’s track record it will be a great journey as always.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharp wrote:
KORG has an excellent track record in supporting products over their lifespan by releasing new features through OS updates. In fact, they are untouchable in this regard.

Yamaha and KETRON has never in all their history done anything to match KORG in this area.

So, my 2 cents. If you own a Pa5X, or if you are planning on buying one, based on KORG’s track record it will be a great journey as always.

Kind regards
Sharp


And... A Diabolical start (never seen before) with PA5X... add that to the track record...

Korg's track record with Professional Arrangers regarding updates and sorting out issues is slow at best, So considering the condition of PA5X when sorting out all the issues, and also to include here claimed by a dealer on this forum (who know people on the inside) that PA5X will surpass PA4X at sime piont (A replacement model should surpass an outgoing model on launch) this is going to take a lifetime considering (again) Korg's track record, by then many of Korg's PA community will of lost interest and moved on, and that will be a great shame.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which brings up another question, does anybody understand why exactly Korg released the PA5X in its current condition? Can somebody at least speculate or put together why anyone at KORG would do this without guaranteeing us some hope or idea of the journey of these updates by speech, or a post, or a letter?

This much I have put together, PA4X was hit by the chip crisis and Korg pulled the plug on production around late 2020-early 2021. They were without a flagship for a full year and were developing the new platform software and starting manufacturing and acquiring PA5X parts and building batches of them and beta testing them (this is where the leaks came from). However, development hit a stall when they realized that no money is coming in since the product is in development and not available for the public to purchase. So then, Korg finishes up essential parts of the software (that make it seem functional) and sells them to the distributors/retailers where they are immediately bought out by people waiting for the successor to the 4X, not realizing it is still in development of its most basic features.

Once Korg sees the product is viable (albeit lying to the customer of its functional status), they continue development hoping that the engineers will patch up the software and fix all the issues and bring out the new features they had developed for the 5X within the period of a year while they also hope the chips crisis is mitigated and production/manufacturing is properly stabilized so that the 5X reaches all retailers/distributors. And that by that time period, the 5X will seem like finished product.

Anyone care to address this and correct me. I hope to be proven wrong here.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that is precisely why I have lost faith in Korg, after being a devout supporter, and have put my PA5X-76 up for sale.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every post now is saying “Do not buy a Pa5X”. Even the odd more positive post is admitting that it is incomplete and not fit for purpose. It is not worth even a quarter of the price it is selling for. There are far better machines available at just a fraction of the price if you just want to play as a hobby at home.

For those who want to play outside of the house, studio or make a living Pa5X does not work for them. They have been telling us this since the introduction of 5X and still no one is listening. That is why they are all jumping ship. There is no other option.

I can give you proof of this. The largest and best Korg dealer in the UK, they have been for many years, had a huge area of their shop devoted to Korg Pas` 700, 1000, 4X and then 5X. I visit them often.

But the Korg area of the shop has completely gone and been replaced by the most fantastic display of Yamaha keyboards. Visually stunning as you enter the shop.

The reason for this to me is a no brainer. Supermarkets, shops, any business that you wish to mention need to keep their shelves and floor space full in order to pay high ground rates, staff and other things.

So in this case above Korg arrangers are now obsolete or as with Pa5X a lame duck that no body wants. Shelf/floor space to a dealer pays the bills. The biggest and best Korg dealer ever in the UK have turned their Korg shelf/floor space over to Yamaha. Obviously that is where they see the future with arrangers.

That tells us all we need to know surely. It looks like faithful dealers are jumping ship too in order to survive. They need to stock their shelves/floor space with things that will sell. They have to do that especially in the present day climate. The Pa5X will not sell and in my honest opinion it never will. Too much bad stuff has gone under the bridge.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly I have to agree .
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D575 wrote:
Sharp wrote:
KORG has an excellent track record in supporting products over their lifespan by releasing new features through OS updates. In fact, they are untouchable in this regard.

Yamaha and KETRON has never in all their history done anything to match KORG in this area.

So, my 2 cents. If you own a Pa5X, or if you are planning on buying one, based on KORG’s track record it will be a great journey as always.

Kind regards
Sharp


And... A Diabolical start (never seen before) with PA5X... add that to the track record...



Korg's track record with Professional Arrangers regarding updates and sorting out issues is slow at best, So considering the condition of PA5X when sorting out all the issues, and also to include here claimed by a dealer on this forum (who know people on the inside) that PA5X will surpass PA4X at sime piont (A replacement model should surpass an outgoing model on launch) this is going to take a lifetime considering (again) Korg's track record, by then many of Korg's PA community will of lost interest and moved on, and that will be a great shame.
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Well this was IT! Thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that the mere fact KORG has labelled this keyboard the “Pa5X” many of you instantly assumed it would have all the features of a Pa4X plus all new features on day one. Many still even assume this and compare.

You all knew it didn’t before you bought it. We have been talking about this on the forum since it’s release.

The reality of things is that this keyboard is actually the first of it’s kind. It’s based on a new operating system written from scratch. You ALL know this. I hope that with time people will come to realise why KORG felt the need to rewrite the OS as they support and grow the product over the years to come. Like every other keyboard KORG have supported.

So for what it’s worth, treat it right now as a new keyboard. Buy it for what it offers, or don’t at all. Maybe even just wait and see as time progresses and the product evolves.

Looking for a "devorce" with a leaving KORG thread though...lol... really? Come on guys. I bet most of you have different keyboards from different manufactures. KORG might think you are cheeting in them. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharp wrote:
It seems to me that the mere fact KORG has labelled this keyboard the “Pa5X” many of you instantly assumed it would have all the features of a Pa4X plus all new features on day one. Many still even assume this and compare.

You all knew it didn’t before you bought it. We have been talking about this on the forum since it’s release.

The reality of things is that this keyboard is actually the first of it’s kind. It’s based on a new operating system written from scratch. You ALL know this. I hope that with time people will come to realise why KORG felt the need to rewrite the OS as they support and grow the product over the years to come. Like every other keyboard KORG have supported.

So for what it’s worth, treat it right now as a new keyboard. Buy it for what it offers, or don’t at all. Maybe even just wait and see as time progresses and the product evolves.

Looking for a "devorce" with a leaving KORG thread though...lol... really? Come on guys. I bet most of you have different keyboards from different manufactures. KORG might think you are cheeting in them. Wink

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A little dismissive and patronising of you sharp...

I have to say I seem to recognise this monologue from somewhere else.. first hand...

Humm...interesting Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2023 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which brings up another question, does anybody understand why exactly Korg released the PA5X in its current condition?


My theory is based on some bad work experiences in the banking and funds management industry. We had a new senior executive appointed who came from outside the industry, quite dictatorial in style, and who thought that he could make things happen simply by ordering it - no technical knowledge of what was involved, no project plan, and refused advice from those who had to lead the development. His simple view was to dictate an outcome, with an unrealistic timeframe, and then leave it to everyone else to deliver OR ELSE.

The result was hasty and poor delivery, poor morale, and the resignation of many of the best people.

Of course this is just a theory, but none of the other explanations that have been offered seem all that convincing.
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