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blazerunner · Senior Member Joined: 15 Nov 2017 Posts: 277

I never realized in all these years how using the Kronos and the Kronos only to record my music had improved my abilities as a musician. The limitations of the sequencer only made me stronger and more creative.

Now that I've been fumbling around with DAW's I realize all I wanted was a Kronos that had it's own DAW to expand on my musical creativity. I thought the grass was greener on the other side. It wasn't. It was already lush and plentiful where I was.

Although I feel like the Kronos is heavily outdated (because it is) I personally prefer working with a keyboard workstation. I know I'm one of the minority here but I hope that if Korg makes a new workstation it's one with it's own DAW to plug in too.

I really love the Kronos because it cultivates creativity and is streamlined to get musical ideas down with. I'm not much accustomed to the Midi keyboard and mouse clicking method of creating music it's just not my style. The Kronos sequencer always kept me in the mindset that I'm playing an actual instrument because I was so music flowed out more freely.

Anyway I just wanted to share those thoughts. I know guys like me that want to use workstations are rare these days but I just enjoy it. I've done things with the Kronos sequencer I don't think Korg ever expected anyone to do. I mean I ran all my gear into it. It was literally my studio. If Korg knew the kind of stuff people could do with the sequencer I wonder if they would have put more effort into fixing it and keeping it up to date instead of having abandoned it. Oh well... It's just a passing thought.

Who knows what the future is for the "Korg Workstation". I know Korg has been showing a lot of focus on VST's and such same as roland but I sometimes wish Korg was like Akai when it came to "stand alone" and making equipment that could play on both sides of the fence so you wouldn't feel left behind or outdated.

For me being a long time Kronos sequencer user it's a huge jump going from the Kronos into the world of DAW's. When the Kronos first arrived it was still the Software vs. Hardware wars. Manufacturers hadn't really thought about combining both worlds yet and I think that was a fatal mistake because Software won in the end and as amazing as the Kronos is it has no software/Daw support to keep it going.
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Pedja · Platinum Member Joined: 20 Sep 2013 Posts: 576

I appreciate your opinions.
Thanks for it!
All the best.
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Mike Conway · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:13 am Post subject: Re: I was wrong...

blazerunner · Senior Member Joined: 15 Nov 2017 Posts: 277

kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

... And then: nothing prevents Korg from improving the core of the Kronos sequencer (so many little useless functions and so many more essential ones to add)
No, nothing prevents Korg from improving this sequencer except the desire and the software genius that go hand in hand.
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rickster1 · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2023 8:00 pm Post subject:

It's interesting to read the comments in the thread because I didn't think there were too many fans of the K sequencer like I am.

I've recorded about 175 songs on the SEQ & use them along with Combis on all my gigs. I have a Kronos 1st gen 73, about 11 years old.

If I want to add vocals to my recordings (to put on Sound Cloud for instance) I have a 16 track Zoom.

SeedyLee · Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:40 pm Post subject:

I am completely with you, and have been saying similar things for a decade now.

I have been using computer-based sequencers and DAWs since the early 90 (when I was around 10!), and found them tolerable. Computer-based music for me all went downhill when operating systems became more secure and better at multitasking (preventing DAWs from being able to communicate directly with hardware, and also introducing latency and jitter), but also with the advent of the VST. As amazing as VSTs are, they are a real source of instability and frustration.

The other thing about DAWs is I have never been able to find a good ergonomic setup with a master controller along with a keyboard and mouse that doesn't sacrifice access to one or the the other.

The Kronos solves many of these problems. It is extremely low latency and jitter, making it possible to even monitor a vocal like through the digital mixer without excessive comb filtering. MIDI timing is tight. It is reliable. But also, even though the screen angle isn't great, I still find it a more ergonomic environment than a keyboard with a PC.

The other thing I've found with the Kronos is, despite all odds, it actually sounds better than many VSTs (not all). But certainly comparing the Kronos against the bundled effects, instruments and samples in Logic or Cubase, it punches above its weight.

Every time I try to go back to using a PC for music production I find it a frustrating experience. Latency is the biggest killer for me, but I just find myself more time trying to learn keyboard shortcuts and map controllers and exploring VSTs than I do making music.

Hopefully the rokstation isn't dead and the success of Akai's MPC line help keepsnKorg in the game.
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kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

no instrument can do everything on its own. And the Kronos is no exception to this obvious rule.
So it's never a battle between workstations and DAWs.
DAWs can have a perfect musical relation ship with the Kronos.
But not all the DAWs
It is the almost intuitive side of a DAW that facilitates the musician's work and saves him time (and also offers the successful completion of his music) that makes all the difference.

Beware fo the bad ones !
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kronoSphere · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Jan 2012 Posts: 697

no instrument can do everything on its own. And the Kronos is no exception to this obvious rule.
So it's never a battle between workstations and DAWs.
DAWs can have a perfect musical relation ship with the Kronos.
But not all the DAWs
It is the almost intuitive side of a DAW that facilitates the musician's work and saves him time (and also offers the successful completion of his music) that makes all the difference.

Beware fo the bad ones !

Wink

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trees are going fast.

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Current Gear : Kronos 88 / Seaboard Rise / Triton Extreme / Sequoia / Motif Rack XS / TC Helicon voicelive rack /Awave 11 / Audio & VSTi plug-ins connected /wide touchscreen / iPad Pro 512.