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Singing without 4X adaptive parameters is unsatisfactory

 
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LeSchloma



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:14 pm    Post subject: Singing without 4X adaptive parameters is unsatisfactory Reply with quote
Hi!

I have tested singing over the 5X several times and realize it is currently far away from the 4X level.

I have personally asked shift.audio about the missing and essential adaptive settings (gate, EQ, compression) and the de-esser. We remember the vocals in 4X always sound smooth and 'studio-ready' without any fuss, just plug in the microphone and that's it. Simply brilliant! Something that has always set the 4X apart from its competitors in a positive way.

I don't want to withhold the answer here: ''Thank you for your concern and understand the situation. I cannot reveal our specific plans but we are developing new features and solutions all the time. Please understand that Shift Audio had to develop its own technology from the ground up and this takes time. This is still ongoing. The adaptive features are something that has been requested a few times. We take all feature requests into consideration and prioritize as best as we are able given we are a small team."

I'm talking here about the Adaptive Technology which has been installed in the TC Helicon Voicetone T1 since 2011 and has already done an excellent job for us singers.

KORG should arrange that shift.audio, which was founded by TC Helicon developers, develop these adaptive parameters for us singing entertainers at full speed to make it available for us in one of the upcoming updates. I therefore request that the vocal quality that my audience so appreciates and loves from my 4X be brought back to the 5X model.

In the meantime I have placed my request to the German KORG support, who kindly forwarded it to shift.audio and the KORG development team. Let's stay curious ...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do extensive singing in my performances and I find the 5X much more present and powerful over the instrument which wasn't always the case with the 4x. Also, the vocal harmonies sound very natural. I find singing through the 5x the same as singing through a high end mixer. It sounds natural and the EQ is spot on without the need for processing of a deesser and compressor.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
kbrkr wrote:
I do extensive singing in my performances and I find the 5X much more present and powerful over the instrument which wasn't always the case with the 4x. Also, the vocal harmonies sound very natural. I find singing through the 5x the same as singing through a high end mixer. It sounds natural and the EQ is spot on without the need for processing of a deesser and compressor.


I have been singing over PA keyboards for many years now. In my opinion, only one 8-band equalizer cannot replace these clever adaptive tone settings developed by TC which are used in previous PA keyboards and in professional devices by many musicians.

Depending on the location I use different microphones, which means I have to find a setting for each one with the 8-band equalizer and I cannot save these settings. Adaptive on the 4X means I've never had to readjust anything. Just plug in every microphone, good and warm sound.

Without having the important de-esser, I tried to reduce the level of sibilants pulling down the 8000 kHz frequency with the one parametric band provided by the 5X, but it no longer sounds good to me. This was much more comfortable and better in previous PA models. One of many examples (e.g. EC5), where the 5X is not on a par with the 4X.

But as always, it's a matter of taste.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:50 pm    Post subject: Mic Mechanic Reply with quote
Yes it sounds dumb and it makes you carry around more equipment and more wires .
When I use my PA 1000 I use TC-Helicon VoiceTone Mic Mechanic 2..
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