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brandon Junior Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:54 pm Post subject: daft punk bass sound |
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hi all just another noob type question here but i haven't been able to really find an answer online. Since i got my ms20 mini i've been trying to get that really juicy bass sound like on the daft punk track voyager (http://youtu.be/Dkik97YkiE0?t=32s) and some funkadelic type thing they did (http://youtu.be/vXE3L0uxOU8?t=1m30s). I've gotten somewhat close to the the second one, but i'm really struggling to get a bass tone that i really like, thinking maybe the really juicy sound is due to external processing? makes me wanna get rid of it and get a moog already but there seems to be a lot of potential.
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1384
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: daft punk bass sound |
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I'm almost positive that the first bass tone is a resampled (or recorded) electric bass.. try adding in some LFO vibrato, add in some volume dynamic with the envelope, have a little decay on the Low-pass filter; use the high-pass filter's peak to boost some of the bass range, run it into some distortion/amp convolution/saturation afterwards.
Or just find an electric bass line to resample. _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192886 |
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: daft punk bass sound |
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brandon wrote: | makes me wanna get rid of it and get a moog already but there seems to be a lot of potential.! |
It's not the synth ! It's about what you can do with it ! |
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Re-Member Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Feb 2008 Posts: 657
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, getting rid of one synth because you can't emulate a recording is just going to keep you in an endless loop of gear swapping. For one thing, mixing and mastering can change a sound significantly. Another thing is that this might not even be an analog synthesizer. Unless you knew exactly what instrument is being used and the mixing techniques involved, it's impossible to match it 100%. _________________ Roland Juno-60, SH-101, TR-606, MC-505, Casio CZ-101, Yamaha DX100, DX11, Kawai R-50e // Korg R3, microSTATION, Monotribe, MS-20 Mini, SQ-1, minilogue, electribe sampler, Volca series: Bass, Keys, Beats, Sample, FM, Kick, Moog Theremin |
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Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 6494 Location: Leeds, UK
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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I remember listening to this record earlier. Definitely sounds like an electric bass guitar being run through some filter and distortion to kind of try to make it sound like a distorted TB303 character.
A lot of Daft Punk's stuff uses real electric bass guitar afaik. _________________ Current Gear: Kronos 61, RADIAS-R, Volca Bass, ESX-1, microKorg, MS2000B, R3, Kaossilator Pro +, MiniKP, AX3000B, nanoKontrol, nanoPad MK II,
Other Mfgrs: Moog Sub37, Roland Boutique JX03, Novation MiniNova, Akai APC40, MOTU MIDI TimePiece 2, ART Pro VLA, Focusrite Saffire Pro 40.
Past Gear: Korg Karma, TR61, Poly800, EA-1, ER-1, ES-1, Kawai K1, Novation ReMote37SL, Boss GT-6B
Software: NI Komplete 10 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, Ableton Live 9. Apple OSX El Capitan on 15" MacBook Pro |
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1384
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Yes, with the Discovery album especially a great majority of the stuff is modified samples.
Many great french-house artist's use resampling to create their tunes; if you can find one disco or funk tune with a great elec bass solo, sample a bit of it into a sampler instrument then play an entirely new melody from it.
Regarding Voyager in particular, it's based off of a loop of another song-
http://www.whosampled.com/sample/view/285/Daft%20Punk-Voyager_Oliver%20Cheatham-Get%20Down%20Saturday%20Night/ _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
Have my freebie granular plug-in: https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=192886 |
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brandon Junior Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:24 am Post subject: |
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thanks for all the replies!
and i'm using those as examples, basically i haven't been able to get a bass sound out of the ms20 mini that is "fat" enough for my liking, been a moog lp fan for ages but never broke the bank for one, was thinking the ms20 mini was a good compromise but it hasn't cured that itch lol. |
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: |
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brandon wrote: | i haven't been able to get a bass sound out of the ms20 mini that is "fat" enough for my liking, been a moog lp fan for ages but never broke the bank for one, was thinking the ms20 mini was a good compromise but it hasn't cured that itch lol. |
Now there's a very old story. I lot of people bought the ms20 in 78 thinking it would be a good cheap Moog substitute only to be disappointed !..
...It was only the first chapter in the story & it took years for the true beast in the ms20 to be fully realized & celebrated.
In fact the only reason that this recreation is a worthwhile & viable product now (35 years on) is because tons of synth heads the world over have been gagging for this kind of thing for years ! Some folks are still waiting for units to arrive in stock. You won't find a more versatile twin osc' monosynth at this price & definitely nothing quite like the ms20.
It's no Moog & never was, never claimed to be. It's a great synth though. Are you processing it through anything other than its own dry signal ? |
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Bald Eagle Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2009 Posts: 2278 Location: Long Island, NY
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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If you want Moog and a fat bass try the Sub Phatty. |
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tpantano Platinum Member
Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 1384
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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If you can't get a phat/fat/pfat bass out of your MS-20, you're doing it wrong. Hell, I prefer this thing to my Moog Slim Phatty.
Remember, the high pass filter is your friend. Turn the peak all the way up (into self-oscillation); tune the cutoff to the bassiest-fundamental of the root note of your key, cut back a little bit on the peak to taste. Tada!
DrHoo wrote: | Now there's a very old story. I lot of people bought the ms20 in 78 thinking it would be a good cheap Moog substitute only to be disappointed !.. |
Everyone knows the Korg 800DV/MaxiKorg was the 'poor mans Minimoog,' tsk tsk! If only my father hadn't trashed his _________________ Current: MS-20 Mini, Minilogue, SY77
Past: Korg R3, Volca Bass, X50, Mg Slim Phatty, Rld Gaia SH-01, Yamaha TX81Z
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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tpantano wrote: |
DrHoo wrote: | Now there's a very old story. I lot of people bought the ms20 in 78 thinking it would be a good cheap Moog substitute only to be disappointed !.. |
Everyone knows the Korg 800DV/MaxiKorg was the 'poor mans Minimoog,' tsk tsk! If only my father hadn't trashed his |
Ha ha !. Everyone you say !...I didn't know. I bow to your knowledge. |
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brandon Junior Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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@DrHoo no its just dry, i tell you i'm actually keen to unlock the beast! i'm just a little apprehensive to spend much on outboard gear to go with it to wake up one day like "i want a moog" lol
and cheers to tpantano for the advice! |
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DrHoo Platinum Member
Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 657 Location: North Wales, UK
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well, of course there's nothing wrong with the dry signal. Matter of fact i love mine but...
...A little reverb or delay...Or both can go a long way. Weather you're playing an ms20, a sub phatty or any other mono analogue.
Thing about external fx is they can be applied to whatever you want.A universal part of any set up.They can also FATTEN UP an existing sound, add 'air' or thicken the timbre.
If you're getting into synthesis then such an fx unit is inevitable !...Just a matter of time. Unless you want to go for software.
Really though ,if you just want to get the most of of the ms20m as it is, just fire it up & get stuck in. There's a trove of mad sounds to be had. |
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brandon Junior Member
Joined: 20 Sep 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:26 am Post subject: |
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yeah you're 100% right i could even use delay for my nord electro 3 anyway, while i'm asking what would be something good to start with? |
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roblabs Platinum Member
Joined: 25 Sep 2011 Posts: 1396 Location: NYC
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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have a minibrute - love adding reverb and a bit of delay - works wonders!! Dr Hoo is right, any analogue sound will benefit |
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