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[karmathanever]

[Bachus]

[karmathanever]

..... I just wish Yamaha would do something about their old-hat OS and make it a performance-friendly keyboard plus aim it (or a version of it) to the professional market.... it is so frustrating to play live or record with.

The main reasons I will not consider the Tyros 5 are:-
1. Price
2. Price
3. Price
4. Unpleasant OS (a touch screen would improve that instantly)
5. Unacceptable (unusable IMHO) vocal harmoniser
6. Quality of many style VARs (but intros/endings are great!!)
7. Limitations in style element control (e.g. FILLs)
8. Missing fundamental control-surface controls (e.g. Bass Inversion, Tempo Lock....)
9. AI fingering mode doesn't work as per Korg's "Fingered 1" (and also works on all Rolands and Audya) this hasn't worked for many generations of PSR's and all Tyros's so far - this is a personal requirement for me!!

But seriously, who can afford this thing?

Pete
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[laurance]

You criticize all the time the price of tyros 5

I can assure you that if you have a local dealer like me, you can have the Tyros 5 at the same price as the Pa3x76

I got mine with 1 GB of RAM and two pack premium promotional codes (which brings the Tyros 5 much lesser cost than Pa3x76)

Regards.
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[Veren]

Hi Laurance

Where are you located as the price difference in SA is as per that portrayed by Pete.

But interesting if is as you say.

Thanx

[Bachus]

[laurance]

Veren: I live in France.


Bachus: I got mine at the same price as the Pa3x (3300€)

but if you add the price of the 1Gb and the free download packs, it become even cheeper.

Regards.
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[Veren]

Hi Laurence

As I stated here in South Africa there is a massive difference.

I could be wrong but from my interactions here, I don't think that there are many tyros users. Here R60000 to R95000 is a sh_t load of money.

But then again it seems that all the distributors insist on no less than 100% profit. By the time the end user pays, you end up paying much more than what the USD price on the internet is. Yes I understand customs etc as im in shipping but divide the above by average of 11 (for usd) and you'd know what im talking about.

thanx

[siebenhirter]

Hello,
looking behind the secrets of Yamahas Ensemble-Voices, you can see it is a well known Harmony-Function, but with 24 key-assign types an presets ready for use without to spend time for settings.
Yamaha use four Voices (Upper1-3 and Lower) for categories Brass, Woodwind, Chor and others with acces to 92 SA-sounds. If you select a preset all four parts are activ. Following parameters are selectable: Assign/Harmony (with key-assign for prior solo-voices), Volume/Pan, Tune/Effekt, Humanize (for indiv. or random pitch and timing of solovoices).

The decision how to use Ensemble-voices depends on chord-recognition, if you play staccato or legato, if you play chords or arpeggios etc. If you select "all parts on retrigger" all parts acts as solovoices, whereas you select "voice incremental" there only one instrument is soloing and you can select "from lowest" or "from highest" for solovoices or non-solo-voices.

Maybe ancient ensemble of Korg is not the same - particulary you have no presets in categories Brass, Woodwind, Chor and Others - but try to use voices that also use oszilator-features (legato, retrigger etc) with your ensemble, try to divide them in solo and chordvoice, select Mono-L, Mono-R and all features you can get with track-assign, ensemble, pan.

Then evaluate how much new "Ensemble Voices" takes off of known technologies and if it could not be possible to improve its own ensemble-voices with existing features. Why not be done years ago - there's also a LOT of hidden potential in even that feature forgotten to be used.

Styles - you can not control them with simple velocity-control of chord recorgnition - but you can do it with footcontrollers.
And dont forget assignable functions like muting each style-track separately, solo-select-track, Baß&Lower-backing, Chord-latch, NoChord in Expert-Mode etc.

The difference with technologies which will be offered as a novelty is much lower, the more one uses the existing, well-known features of Korg - and the end results maybe not be as spectacular as first impressions did!

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[quote="Dikikeys"] I guarantee, were Korg to find a way to protect styles from being shared, we would see a huge explosion in great third party styles. /quote]

Discussions on the meaning of copyrights be performed controversial and there are no signs of such forecasts. So it is not guaranteed, we would see a huge explosion in great third party styles, if Korg will find a way to protect styles from being shared - a huge explosion in great third party styles is not expectable, if only few are willing to spend money again for additional software, you can not use in your next keyboard.

Found: forum.yamaha-europe.com/showthread.php?41242-Neue-Yamaha-Styles-nicht-wirklich (translated): However, it is in fact, as life in real business life, primarily about money. Probably not worth the effort to produce good material for the handful of players.
Most of Styles you can buy, also known as third-party, are not much better - so I still play a lot with old Styles from "Styles & music". They were still really ok.

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Activity is necessary in development of keyboards - so activities of Yamaha and Roland are welcome, but what is the matter with Korg: few are interested in equipment with good but ancient technologies in new design - at least for newcomer they SHOULD TRY TO HOLD THE LEVEL OF FUNCTIONS THAT ALREADY WHERE PRESENT - missing features as noticed with Pa3xLe/300/600/900 are no good idea, far away from steps forward in development.

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[karmathanever]

[siebenhirter]

[Bachus]

[Dikikeys]

Sieben... you only have to look back far enough to the days when extra styles were on hardware cards, or to the days before the Internet and rampant file sharing to see how things USED to be. There were several style 'houses' that made excellent third party styles, and the manufacturers themselves made a LOT more styles in between arranger models, because they got PAID!

This isn't anything magical. It is simple economics. Talented people want to get paid for their work, they don't want to have it given away for free. Currently, the only avenue for their work is making the ROM styles for arranger manufacturers... The styles are paid for by a portion of the arranger's cost. But once that's done, where do they get money in the 2-3 years or more until a new arranger comes out? Not from you guys... I can see from your post you are looking for some kind of excuse to justify stealing it (oops, I meant 'sharing' it! ), but the truth is, there isn't one. Just like any other software, you are buying the right to USE a style, not the right to share it...

Put yourself in the shoes of someone that CAN make great styles, you'll see it the way it actually is.

[Bachus]

[karmathanever]