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musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

I spent the week creating patches and combis, tweaking and balancing, EQing and tuning them up. I was monitoring through A focusrite DSP24 and a SKy 2.1.

Took my rig to the gig and it was a disaster.My Stage 2 sounded the same but the Krome was just way off. My sound gear is a DBX 266 compressor into a Radial Duplex DI, sending to my K10 and to the FOH.

Firs tthe bass register on the piano patches were very bassy, I tried some quick EQ settings but during a gig its hard to dial in .There was also a gain staging problem, patches were overdriven.

The only patch I wound up using that night was a horn section patch, I use dthe Nord for everything else.The organs on the Krome were, well, cheesy. The rotary sim sounded very un-rotar tlike.

Now having said this, I drug home my monitoring gear(it was residing in the band trailer) and will start over at home redoing the patches, EQ, and gains wit hwhat I will be using.I also will redo the signal distribution, adding a line mixer with a built in LO-Z send and monitor send, ommitting the Radial. It was summing both boards, which I think may have been some of the issue, even though there is supposed to be a summing network in the DI.

Bottom line, this board may shine in the store, or more likely sound bad.
You should audition it with your playback system, whether it is live or a studio.I will say most combo amps will NOT do this board justice.

Ajbbklyn · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject:

You had the compressor in front of the Radial Duplex?
How many outputs from the compressor into the DI box?
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musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

thats where I may have had an issue.

Mono outs from both boards into a respective channel of the compressor, unlinked, HI-Z into the Radial Duplex, with the MIX button engaged on the DI. The reason for this summing is there is only one channel on the PA board for Keys. I had been using outputs 1 and 2 from the Nord in this same setup. Last night I seperated the two inputs from the Nord and just split them to the respective Mono outs of the boards.

Stage---------------DBX ch 1---------------DI ch 1 Left--parallel HI-Z to K10
mix button on-----LO-Z to PA
Krome--------------DBX ch 2--------------DI ch 1 Right--parallel HI-Z to K10

I think I didnt have issues beore(maybe) because it was just the Nords outs, I will have more time at home plus wit hthe line mixer I will have isolation

billbaker · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject:

I had a similarly dis-heartening experience trying to incorporate a piece of Roland gear that I'd only had a day or two when I tried to gig with it. (And this was not a beginner mistake, I'd been playing pro for more than 15 years at that point - just really wanted to get my new toy on stage.)

Disaster!

I could navigate just fine in the store. On stage with only seconds between songs it was as if I was trying to dial a phone wearing boxing gloves. I could find nothing. Every selection was wrong we'd be 8 or 10 bars in before I even came close to having the right sound.

Took it back the next day and traded it in.

Hopefully your Krome will fare better.

BB

PS: I worked at home dialing in my Triton Extreme for more than a month before I was satisfied that I could do precisely what I wanted from the first note I played on stage. (...and boy did that wait take will power) Worth it tho' to hit the ground running. I'm still tweaking the blue beast and making the sound even better than the pretty good it started out as.
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billbaker · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject:

@musicman,

You might want to look into getting a small submixer. I use a small Behringer model to merge my keyboards - it was only around $50 and gives me a mic/lin in, two (dual) stereo line ins and an aux in, summed to two 1/4 line outs and a headphone channel.

It's a pretty reasonable solution and doesn't color the signal from the keys at all.

Panning everything to center and using only 1 output would get you the same level on all inputs - a summed signal - even of you used L+R from your keys into L+R on a channel.

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My set-up is a bit different from yours, as I'm using the submix for my monitor - which is one input only - so it gets the summed signal where the FOH gets a separate feed from 2 keyboards (L+R as mono+mono) from my stereo DI.

I also use a Radial DI, but run the keys thru it first and use the thru signal to drive the submixer and then to an JBL Eon 15.

BB
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Ajbbklyn · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject:

If you were going mono out from the compressor, there was no need to engage the mix buttons on the Radial DI. Each board would have a single cable running to the respective ¼" inputs on each side of the DI. Then out via the respective XLRs on the other end of the box. (Or, alternately, out via the bottom ¼" outputs located beneath each input.)
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musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

ShaunKorg · Full Member Joined: 13 Nov 2010 Posts: 149

I'm asking out of ignorance, but why does a keyboard need a compressor?
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BillW · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:03 am Post subject:

Yatrix · Senior Member Joined: 11 Nov 2010 Posts: 281

Hi musicman,
As a suggestion - check type of line inputs on DBX.
Krome has TS (mono unbalanced) outputs while DBX may have TSR mono balanced inputs.
At least in my case that caused in bad sound when my M50 TS outputs were connected to PA with TSR input by pair of standard cabels with mono jacks 1/4".
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billbaker · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:18 am Post subject:

"need", hmmm...

You could use a compressor if the dynamic range of your patches exceeds the ability of your soundman to adjust. The "bang" followed by the relative low volume that you get with piano patches seems to provide a particular challenge, as does the changing of patches to things as varied as flute to distorted guitar, to power synth, to rhodes with no adjustment or dial-in allowed.

Compressor can help even those out.

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musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

musicman2011 · Junior Member Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Posts: 82

Ajbbklyn · Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject:

If you're going to add a mixer to the chain, you could put it in front of the Radial Duplex and after the compressor. This way, you have one controlled, gain-staged signal going into the DI box. You can even use the XLR out of the mixer into the XLR input of the Radial.

I might keep the Radial in the chain because the passive Jension transformer eliminates ground loops - keeps everything clean going to FOH and to your monitors.

Also, don't know about the Krome, but my M50 tends to have a hot signal. I keep the volume slider on the keyboard between 33-50% depending on the setup.
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