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mintjamman · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:34 am Post subject: First Thoughts on Pa4x.

I finally managed to steal about four hours today with a Pa4x 61 note, first impressions are that a 61 won't cut it for me, 76 would be the option.

The dealer I went to had staff with little knowledge about the operation of the keyboard but maybe some with the instrument can help?

I wanted to try some SMFs out and had saved them in format 0 ! Neither the Pa4x or Kronos would read those files ??? The demonstrator had never heard of the 0 and 1 SMF file structure ?? So does the Korg read 0 or 1 ?

Other weird thing is when trying to use just the sounds ( no arranger ) I wanted to use drawbar organ left and right of the split point. While you can configure that what we could not do is have the rotary effect on the lower as well as the upper, could this be a limitation ?

Next up was the harmoniser, lets say that you wanted to provide backing vocals to another singer, is it possible to use the harmoniser in a way that allows the harmony parts to sound based on chord voicing while muting your own voice so it's not audible ???

Any help appreciated !
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mintjamman · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:56 pm Post subject: Pa4x ordered

Thanks for the tips on the questions I had, today saw a further opportunity to not only spend more time with the pa4x but also with Korg Product Specialist Tony White at Bonners, today we hooked up the pa4x to a sound system as opposed to headphones yesterday. Wow !!! What a difference it sounds great, we were also able to get my midi files imported, investigate the lead voice mute on the harmoniser, sort out the lower and upper drawbar and rotary problem. Tony has great knowledge of the pa4x and was able to draw my concerns into a decision to place my Order, I had previously ordered one with DV247 but had to cancel it due to poor customer service with them they are essentially box shifters the complete opposite to the friendly service at Bonners and wealth of product knowledge.

Delivery is scheduled for hopefully next month or at worst January, Glad I kicked the Kronos into touch imho a overrated keyboard. Now can't wait to get my pa4x
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gazzauk4 · Joined: 18 Nov 2015 Posts: 4

I'm glad you got better support today and pleased you are impressed and placed an order.
I've just had a call to say mine has arrived at the shop and will be posted on Monday to arrive with me Tuesday Very Happy

Fingers crossed. I think a few 61 note have been about here in the UK but it's got to be 76 for me.

mintjamman · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:15 pm Post subject:

Kool !

I have also ordered the 76 note the 61 seems like a toy but then again I am used to a 88
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joe2116 · Joined: 20 Nov 2015 Posts: 4 Location: United Kingdom

Hi, I have a Pa 4x on order, it should arrive next Friday having read the problems, I am beginning to have second thoughts, I have read all the problems, and can't believe Korg has let a product go on sale without having these issues sorted out. Somehow wished I ordered the Tyros 5. Someone please convince me not to cancel my order !!

Sam CA · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: PA4X on order..

Fransman · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: PA4X on order..

joe2116 · Joined: 20 Nov 2015 Posts: 4 Location: United Kingdom

Thanks Fransman £2679. Doesn't grow on trees Laughing

but I am a lot happier now and looking forward to unboxing it next Friday. Would of bought the Musikant version if I didn't need to wait 25 weeks. I am Italian and some styles are in the Musikant version are useful in our kind of music Smile

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mintjamman · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:05 pm Post subject:

Having spent time with the T5 as much as I respect Yamaha build quality and design I have to agree the Pa4x has a lot going for it especially soundwise. The T5 to my ears sounds sterile and as a few players have remarked everyone sounds the same on a Tyros. The Pa4x really is worth the money so dont see how you could go wrong with it.
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Fransman · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:29 am Post subject:

I guess you're right, there must be something wrong with my ears... they've become Korgian I think!
Shocked

I just don't like the over-produced sounds and styles of the Tyros, it's all too slick, CD-like for me.
Just like the looks of the instrument... toyish.
I don''t see why this instrument is so expensive; it should be like, well, half the price the're asking.
And in that case I would still prefer a PA900 or even a PA600 if I had to choose.

But hey, we're on Korgforums here, so don't be surprised to read some coloured opinions.
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joe2116 · Joined: 20 Nov 2015 Posts: 4 Location: United Kingdom

I really weighed up both Tyros 5 and PA4x and I used to have a Yamaha Organ many years ago I even remember the model it was the ME50 Electone, a great instrument for its time, build, perfect, so I tended to stear towards the tyros 5 because its Yamaha, even with Yamaha's advanced sound engine and crispness of its samplied sounds it does sound clinical and not as natural as the PA4X in my opinion, but hey that's just me everyone's different, I think the real competitor for the PA4x will be Yamaha's flagship Tyros in 2017 until then it's Korg all the way.
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mintjamman · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject:

I have said it before and will reiterate the point that the Korg Pa4x has been designed for live players, I have seen the T4 and T5 bring used professionally by hotel players, its big especially when flightcased, big foot print on stage and yes it looks like a toy.

The pa4x looks far more business like, has features the gigging musician will appreciate but at nearly £2,800 Korg need to address the Sonbook issues in the next OS update 1.03.
How the pa4x has been released with those problems is beyond me korg need to get to work and sort out these issues.

I am sure there will always be snags the coming months with more sales, more users will see the snag list grow but Korg could not see a top end arranger advertising that it might not function correctly could they ?
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