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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:40 am Post subject: Understanding "Direct Disk" access |
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Hi guys
If you understand the “Direct Styles and Keyboard-sets” feature then don’t read any more.
There are some owners that are having trouble understanding the concept and so I thought I’d try and help.
Let’s talk about styles first:-
First thing to understand is that there are 624 FAVORITE/USER style locations available internally inside the PA4X – (these do not include the FACTORY styles).
So imagine you have 1200 FAVORITE/USER styles that you want to have instantly useable/playable at any time. This is where the “Direct Styles” saves your day.
The simple approach would be to load the first 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “FIRST.SET”
Next, load the remaining 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “SECOND.SET”
This is where you decide “which “600” styles do I want to have in the PA4X internal style locations – let’s decide on “FIRST.SET” – so load in “FIRST.SET”
You can now see and play all these as normal.
To instantly have access to the “SECOND.SET” styles we need to make that file our Direct Preference SET.
To do this, in style play mode just go into style select page (as if you were going to change a style)
In the top-right drop-down page menu, select “Direct Preferences”
You will then need to locate your “SECOND.SET” on the disk to which you saved it.
Back in the STYLE select page you will be able to access ALL the "SECOND.SET" FAVORITE/USER styles just like the internal ones by using the "Direct" tab.
You may have several SETs on disk with styles you want to instantly play - you then need to unselect the current Direct "SET" and select a new one in the Direct Preferences menu
A couple of things to note:-
Whenever you save a SET you will only be saving internal FAVORITE/USER style banks.
Only the internal sounds (factory, USER, samples etc) are used by ALL the styles (internal/direct/factory).
This is a fantastic feature.
This worked brilliantly for me in this example:-
I wanted to access ALL my FAVORITE/USER banks of styles and PERFORMANCES from my PA3X (in my last “save”) so all I had to do was make that SET my direct access preference. It also converted my PA3X PERFORMANCES into direct Keyboard-Sets.
As a footnote – this feature works for PA4X “KEYBOARD-SETs” in exactly the same way. So the Direct access preference SET can contain FAVORITE/USER styles and KEYBOARD-SETs.
Hope this helps. _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:59 am Post subject: |
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maybe make sticky topic for while? _________________ Nemik
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: |
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@ Nemik
Thanks - I'll do that. _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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This is purely intended as a help topic.
Please do not hesitate to reply here if you require any assistance with setting up "Direct disk" sets.
Thanks
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Bakhat Junior Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject: User direct |
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thanks Pete for your help and support,
I am still unsure how to use this new option " used direct" I have dowloaded my favorate set that I have made up from several sets to user so all good. I loaded another set to user direct as explainded on the manual but when I sellect a peformace from it say strings the sound then is not the same as per the set, the sound I think is pulling from the user bank and gives a deffernt instrument than that of strings
Sorry I am not yet up to sped with this keyboard as Iam only a biginer playing at home
Many thanks again
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Hi Khal
It seems like you have done everything correctly
The thing to remember is that you only have one set of internal sounds so if your Direct "SET" refers to sounds that are not currently in the PA4X you will not hear them (or they will possibly be wrong.
The "Direct" SET will only enable access to STYLEs and KEYBOARD-SETs within it and these will use PA4X internal SOUNDs banks (not sounds from the Direct SET)
Hope I am making sense here.
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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Bakhat Junior Member
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks Pete, exactly what I thought! |
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BR Platinum Member
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karmathanever wrote: |
The "Direct" SET will only enable access to STYLEs and KEYBOARD-SETs within it and these will use PA4X internal SOUNDs banks (not sounds from the Direct SET)
Hope I am making sense here.
Cheers
Pete |
Agree.
This is exactly the conclusion that I got after spending hours by trying and experiencing different things about the "DIRECT/USER" contrary to what I was expecting.
Thanks Pete for clarification of this feature. |
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dai phan
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding "Direct Disk" access |
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karmathanever wrote: | Hi guys
If you understand the “Direct Styles and Keyboard-sets” feature then don’t read any more.
There are some owners that are having trouble understanding the concept and so I thought I’d try and help.
Let’s talk about styles first:-
First thing to understand is that there are 624 FAVORITE/USER style locations available internally inside the PA4X – (these do not include the FACTORY styles).
So imagine you have 1200 FAVORITE/USER styles that you want to have instantly useable/playable at any time. This is where the “Direct Styles” saves your day.
The simple approach would be to load the first 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “FIRST.SET”
Next, load the remaining 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “SECOND.SET”
This is where you decide “which “600” styles do I want to have in the PA4X internal style locations – let’s decide on “FIRST.SET” – so load in “FIRST.SET”
You can now see and play all these as normal.
To instantly have access to the “SECOND.SET” styles we need to make that file our Direct Preference SET.
To do this, in style play mode just go into style select page (as if you were going to change a style)
In the top-right drop-down page menu, select “Direct Preferences”
You will then need to locate your “SECOND.SET” on the disk to which you saved it.
Back in the STYLE select page you will be able to access ALL the "SECOND.SET" FAVORITE/USER styles just like the internal ones by using the "Direct" tab.
You may have several SETs on disk with styles you want to instantly play - you then need to unselect the current Direct "SET" and select a new one in the Direct Preferences menu
A couple of things to note:-
Whenever you save a SET you will only be saving internal FAVORITE/USER style banks.
Only the internal sounds (factory, USER, samples etc) are used by ALL the styles (internal/direct/factory).
This is a fantastic feature.
This worked brilliantly for me in this example:-
I wanted to access ALL my FAVORITE/USER banks of styles and PERFORMANCES from my PA3X (in my last “save”) so all I had to do was make that SET my direct access preference. It also converted my PA3X PERFORMANCES into direct Keyboard-Sets.
As a footnote – this feature works for PA4X “KEYBOARD-SETs” in exactly the same way. So the Direct access preference SET can contain FAVORITE/USER styles and KEYBOARD-SETs.
Hope this helps. |
Hello
I am the Tyros user and trying to give Korg a chance. This is what I have and please tell me if what I plan to do is correct. I have 8000 styles on my USB stick and it is not possible to load them all since there are only 624 slots so....
1. Create 13 STYLE SETS (600 styles in each set) and save it in the USB drive. SET 1, SET 2, SET 3.... SET 13.
2. Load EACH SET into the User/Favorite slots (624 slots).
3. Select and play the styles as usual.
Now if I want to load SET 2, then I have to delete all 600 styles previously loaded then load SET 2.
Am I understanding this correctly? I read in the manual that you can access the styles from USB but only 114 styles allowable? Thank you so much! Dai |
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dai phan
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Understanding "Direct Disk" access |
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karmathanever wrote: | Hi guys
If you understand the “Direct Styles and Keyboard-sets” feature then don’t read any more.
There are some owners that are having trouble understanding the concept and so I thought I’d try and help.
Let’s talk about styles first:-
First thing to understand is that there are 624 FAVORITE/USER style locations available internally inside the PA4X – (these do not include the FACTORY styles).
So imagine you have 1200 FAVORITE/USER styles that you want to have instantly useable/playable at any time. This is where the “Direct Styles” saves your day.
The simple approach would be to load the first 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “FIRST.SET”
Next, load the remaining 600 of your user styles into the PA4X FAVORITE/USER style locations.
Now save that as a SET on disk – doesn’t matter what disk – i.e. HD internal, SDcard, USB drive – just as long as you remember where it is – let’s refer to that SET as “SECOND.SET”
This is where you decide “which “600” styles do I want to have in the PA4X internal style locations – let’s decide on “FIRST.SET” – so load in “FIRST.SET”
You can now see and play all these as normal.
To instantly have access to the “SECOND.SET” styles we need to make that file our Direct Preference SET.
To do this, in style play mode just go into style select page (as if you were going to change a style)
In the top-right drop-down page menu, select “Direct Preferences”
You will then need to locate your “SECOND.SET” on the disk to which you saved it.
Back in the STYLE select page you will be able to access ALL the "SECOND.SET" FAVORITE/USER styles just like the internal ones by using the "Direct" tab.
You may have several SETs on disk with styles you want to instantly play - you then need to unselect the current Direct "SET" and select a new one in the Direct Preferences menu
A couple of things to note:-
Whenever you save a SET you will only be saving internal FAVORITE/USER style banks.
Only the internal sounds (factory, USER, samples etc) are used by ALL the styles (internal/direct/factory).
This is a fantastic feature.
This worked brilliantly for me in this example:-
I wanted to access ALL my FAVORITE/USER banks of styles and PERFORMANCES from my PA3X (in my last “save”) so all I had to do was make that SET my direct access preference. It also converted my PA3X PERFORMANCES into direct Keyboard-Sets.
As a footnote – this feature works for PA4X “KEYBOARD-SETs” in exactly the same way. So the Direct access preference SET can contain FAVORITE/USER styles and KEYBOARD-SETs.
Hope this helps. |
So you load the first set of 600 to use and "direct preference" the second set of 600. If you want to use the third set then "direct preference" to the third set. So every time you have 600 styles stored internally and 600 styles on stand by. Correct? |
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bud2 Junior Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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OK I maybe a bit thick, but when you have loaded all your Favourites and Users into the Direct slots, can you then SAVe them all as ONE Set ?. I can only see how to save each section i.e. Favourites 1, then Favourites 2. How do you save ALL of them to one SET. Many thanks in advance.
Bill _________________ Genos PA4X-76 |
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karmathanever Platinum Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Bill
The purpose of the "DIRECT" style access is to give you the ability to instantly use styles from an external disk WITHOUT having to load them into internal USER banks.
You can only "save" internal USER banks as a SET - DIRECT disk is a separate entity and really the styles are already externally on disk ("saved").
This was a feature several had asked for (incl me) - and now they've got it - it is great!!!!
Cheers
Pete _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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bud2 Junior Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Pete, OK I get that so how do you save ALL of the Favorites and User in the USER section to make one Direct SET. I presume this is possible ?
Thanks for taking the time to help me, you can guess I am new to this.
Bill _________________ Genos PA4X-76 |
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Arnold
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Pete for going through this topic, as a new PA4X user found it very helpful.
Regards Arnie _________________ PA5X - 61
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bud2 Junior Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:17 am Post subject: |
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It's just a shame it's nowhere as easy as Yamaha. 😏 _________________ Genos PA4X-76 |
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