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SanderXpander · Platinum Member Joined: 29 Jul 2011 Posts: 7860

I would be surprised if this were the case. It seems to me there would be a market for it if there were.

aron · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:18 pm Post subject:

Who doesn't want max polyphony and a boot time of less than 20 seconds. This would be the next gen Kronos.

Play your cards right and you can start programming on your Kronos and don't need a computer. HAHAHA!

Windows 10 anyone????
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GregC · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:17 pm Post subject:

GregC · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:36 pm Post subject:

aron · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:57 pm Post subject:

>I rarely have a polyphony problem. I am use to the boot time so 1:50 improvement isn't much value.

For me, having a boot time of 20 seconds would be great. I could use more polyphony for sure. If something were to happen to my Kronos motherboard, I am going to consider this for sure.

I play live a lot so boot time is a factor - especially when the Kronos is the only board I bring to the gig.

>Hints for anybody who is interested in doing more with his instrument than just playing it. Information for people who want to know how things work.

Yeah, like the early internet used to be. People helping out each other - not attacking others. So much negativity now days.
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ErnstDabest · Senior Member Joined: 18 May 2014 Posts: 266

ErnstDabest · Senior Member Joined: 18 May 2014 Posts: 266

Here is someone else taking matters into his own hands ------> here
Hopefully these type of threads will serve to inspire other DIYers since these synths manufacturers who should be concerned with making their products better aren't doing a dogdarn thing about it. Eventhough they have a vested interest in maintaning doing business with the buying customer......

since you won't fix the problem(s) with your products, then this is all DIYers saying 'I got this' !

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SeedyLee · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:39 am Post subject:

I read this post last night with a great deal of interest, as embedded systems and Linux development are areas of interest to me, though I don't do it professionally.

I have always suspected that the Kronos software would be architected in such a way to easily take advantage of hardware improvements: I've been hoping that Kong may soon release an updated version of the Kronos that takes advantage of increases in CPU performance and thermal efficiency. This work shows that it may be quite straightforward to achieve (save for some minor quibbles around serial controllers and xhci requirements).

One point I did find interesting (if I understand correctly) is that a big part of the reason the Kronos takes so long to boot compared to a regular Linux machine isn't that it's loading sounds, but rather that it is doing a file verification check to see if anything has been modified. It's also interesting that all of the sound generation runs as part of the kernel (with its own memory management) rather than in users pace: this explains why the latency is so ridiculously low compared to a PC based system.

Indont think this is something that can easily be prevented by Korg through a software update either, unless everyone is issued with new auth keys and they fix the underlying vulnerabilities.
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jimiki · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:11 am Post subject:

Seedy

do you remember, few years ago there was one guy doing this stuff and was banned from this from this forum ? any dejavu situation ?? Laughing

SeedyLee · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 6:19 am Post subject:

Haha, yes I certainly do: what was his username again? I'd forgotten all about that.

The big difference here is that these users have provided technical detail and downloadable evidence of their work. In the past it was all "I have done these amazing things, but I can't show you and you'll just have to believe me, and I can't really tell you how I achieved them".
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levioter · Senior Member Joined: 28 Sep 2011 Posts: 401

Just a remark ! I don't know if anyone noticed but one picture shows the cooler on top of the new processor so this is also a difference that can remarked for those that are already ranting against the actual fan noise ! Very Happy

May be another point to enhance ?

Cheers Very Happy

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amit · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:51 am Post subject:

It's nice to have options open and totally agree, that hacking as is should not be looked upon negatively, It has given birth to countless things we can't even survive without today (medical science for e.g)

What you do with the knowledge once you have it, is something debatable and sadly many times goes into the dark side.

having said that :
Although very interesting achievement by those who have been able to do it, it's still way far something an end user could do themselves (mainly a musician).
Someone doing this as a service on day to day basis (and with some guarantee and nominal fee) would be more acceptable.

Here are few questions that come to my mind:

1: Is the current system overclockable? (i doubt that)
2: Has the new build been load tested?
3: what is the temprature like (in contrast)
4: what is the power consumption like (in contrast)

I am not sure if there is any copyright infringement regarding disclosure/distribution of some information of the system that is non GPL (there might be and korg has the right of objection).

For me,
The advantage would be,
1:If it were a 64 bit system (More Ram , 16-32 gig)
2: Had a Sleep/wake mode (System could be on for months in the studio,ready in couple of secs)
3: Perhaps could accommodate external interface. (like a small desktop module handling all the crunching the internal motherboard does. (thinking out loud)
4: USB 3.0 and above support.
..

am I building a desktop again??
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enigmahack · Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:28 pm Post subject:

Personally, I am COMPLETELY for this kind of thing.

I have an old Kronos 1 73 key and a Kronos 2. I can definitely suggest that my Kronos 1 will be getting this upgrade eventually. The Kronos 2 is my 'production' board though and stability is more important. I recognize that the mod only has crashes when the polyphony exceeds the processor power.

The other board though is fair game. I already notice a polyphony difference between my Kronos 1 and my Kronos 2 and while it's not MUCH it's enough for what I do. I would LOVE to have a Kronos that has 200+ polyphony for every engine. Maybe I can finally run some of the larger patches with KARMA all together without notes dropping out.

The only thing stopping me from going through with this all is the Korg updates. The Korg updates would break these patches, and unless the developer of this update keeps on top of each of the patches with continued support, it's somewhat of a niche upgrade and I'm afraid I'd get too used to having all this horsepower available and then I can't take advantage of it later after an update that might bring new features or stability I want.
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NormC · Full Member Joined: 09 Jun 2015 Posts: 158

I think this is cool and exciting. Possible resurrection of a dead Kronos? Possibility of external PC with serial and usb to internal connections? All kinds of possibilities. I won't touch my K2 73 but if a deal for an old unit came around it could be a fun project. Damaged keybed.... Make your own rack unit?

Hey Ernst, how is your diy Triton upgrade coming along?
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