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BasariStudios · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:33 am Post subject:

This Uli guy is an idiot...and this will be anything but Moog, i mean soundwise.
It will most likely sound like a cheap Casio Tonebank while the uneducated
will make Uli's pockets bigger blabbering around how the have a Moog. Sad times.
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BasariStudios · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:35 am Post subject:

psionic311 · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:39 am Post subject:

Bertotti · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:44 am Post subject:

This thread confuses me, just exactly what is the problem? Who cares if these guys try to make a D clone. I don't see the problem. It may or may not sound like a Moog but maybe it will sound good even if it doesn't. Maybe it will be 400$ what's the problem with that. I just don't get it. You don't like it or want it don't buy it, you want it and or like it buy it. How is this a problem. I wanted a Moog sound so i bought the Minitaur. Love the darn thing but have had some Moog buttheads tell it it wasn't a real Moog sound. I don't get that either and really could care less either way because i like it.

Perhaps i should just ignore these threads because they make not sense to me when people start hating a product that doesn't even exist yet.

Koekepan · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Sep 2016 Posts: 617

You ask a very good question. What is the problem?

Well, I'll tell you.

Uli is a blood-sucking capitalist warmonger; a fascist beast intent on polishing his jackboots with the blood of the orphans he tramples beneath his feet while he destroys the very foundations of synthesis with his exploitative strategies that rip the very bread from the mouths of his serfs. He and his oppressive fellow-travelers are the modern-day robber barons who will look you in the eye and smile even while they sharpen the knife for your throat! His flabby pretenses at sonic parity with the true-hearted products of the uplifted workers of Moog are a mere sop to the petty bourgeoisie, paying them off while he destroys the revolutionary potential of the lumpenproletariat!

But wait, my brethren, for the day when this burden, this toil can no longer be borne. Arise! Break your chains, and cast out the superfluous ownership class, and take your place as the rightful owners of the production that has been stolen from you! Then he and his thugs, his petty band of brutal facebreakers, his pack of running-dog lackeys and lickspittles will break like glass before the righteous might of the workers! The fall of his kind is a matter of simple historical inevitability, as we move forward to the next stage of human development! The voice of the proletariat shall rise in triumphant song over the forgotten graves of the parasites of the past!

Sorry, what was the question again?

amit · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:24 am Post subject:

If you really want that moog sound then get a moog period.
otherwise it's always going to be it's damn close, just almost but not yet..

Now, howeger if you are looking for a 3 osc analog mono , then this adds to a list of options you'll have , plus some spare cash to spend elsewhere.

As for me, After going through various likes in the ballpark, I ended up getting a waldorf pulse 2, it's an exceptional analog(DCO's though) for it's price.
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Bertotti · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:07 am Post subject:

Sharp · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:12 am Post subject:

There are countless clones of various synths available as both hardware and software. Those even annoyed in this thread by what behringer are doing own cloned products.

Don't forget, all sample based Workstation get their sound from samples directly recorded from other instruments too.

I'd be more annoyed by the lack of innovation in the industry.

JPROBERTLA · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:08 pm Post subject:

Behringer has improved in almost every respect over the past 10 years. The name of the company is the last thing that really means anything. I own two Behringer products. An XR18 mixer and a Turbosound IP2000 (x2) sound system. I am extremely please with both of them and did a lot or research and comparisons before purchasing. Bang for the buck is off the scale and the things sound great: what else matters? I don't understand what the fuss is about this synth. If it sounds good and people like it then it will be successful if not , it won't. Just like anything else.
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Kontrol49 · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280

The problem with Behringer is that they've made money copying or bringing cheaper clones of already existing musical items for many years,to the point that its almost as if they simply just copied the whole design and just stuck their own badge on and passed it off as their own unique design,and they've not really helped there case by manufacturing high volumes that have been prone to quality issues which has rocked their image.

In recent years they have seemed to shake off that flaky image,with more top spec products,I own an X32 console and although its based on a higher spec Midas desk,its not quite a clone in the design sense seeing as Behringer now own Midas,the Console at half the price of the Midas is still top notch for the price and Build Quality is far better than I expected from Behringer,but is still what I would call high end spec prices,but still the early consoles have seen there fair share of issues both Hardware and software wise,but I think Behringer are doing a lot to rectify and shake off that poor image they've attained and concentrating their efforts into customer support.

in terms of synths,I have no real interest in purchasing any Behringer synths irrespective of them making clones of classics,unless its done in the respectful manner and bettered in terms of up to date features rather than a like for like just because they can do it cheaper,to me that isn't what innovation is about,although the DM12 is a very interesting synth for its price and features,It doesn't interest me enough to want one in my collection,so I doubt a cloned minimoog would either.

It's just going to be a second-best option to the real thing,that will be accessible to most ordinary guys on a budget,i find it strange that people say" I wouldn't drop $3k on a moog",but happy to buy a $400 clone,that signals to me that they would desire a Real Moog so why not just opt for the real thing,I've always bought the best instruments I could afford because pursuing the real thing on a budget with a will to finally get the instrument you want will invariably cost you more in the long run by purchasing stepping stone options and constantly wishing you could afford the real thing.

I'm sure everyone would like a real MiniMoog for $400 for sure but theres a reason why the Real thing doesn't cost $400,its not because Moog are overcharging,I wonder how many DM12's will still be working and in a fully mint condition 10 years later unlike the Voyager I've had for such time,I fear for how many of them will have malfunctioning sliders in such periods of time,If I get another 10 years out of my Voyager,then to me the initial outlay was worth the cost,I don't expect a DM12 or any future Behringer synth at a fraction of the price to have the same life expectancy.

You can debate the specs till the cows come home,on the raw side of things all oscillators sound in some sense the same without all the other commodities that go into its signal path but at the end of the day there's nothing that can realistically replace the whole experience and touch and feel of the ownership of a Moog.

EvilDragon · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:21 pm Post subject:

Kontrol49 · Platinum Member Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 1280

Double Post. Rolling Eyes

Broadwave · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:30 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry but I HAVE to say it... There's NOTHING special about the Minimoog's internal components. They're available off the shelf and ridiculously cheap, and if Behringer copy the circuit diagrams EXACTLY, then it WILL sound like a Minimoog (it simply can't not - I should know... I've been repairing the damned things for 30 years), even if they embellish some parts for extra functions and use SMD technology... Good luck to them.

With Moog, what you're paying for is the name and quality of the overall construction of a complete synth. The Mini D is just a rack, so there's plenty of money to be saved - But maybe it would sound better if it was in an overly expensive polished Walnut case Wink

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amit · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:48 pm Post subject:

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