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Mr_SamDoogie · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:44 pm Post subject:

Well its not a game changer however it certainly beats in quality sounds.
Nice interface and such I'm almost thinking Yamaha wants to haul in the arranger crowds with this keyboard using an familiar fashion, guess I can hold my breath now Kronos still #1.

Sounds of the Genos can haul in studio and theater production me thinks.
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Mr_SamDoogie · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:32 pm Post subject:

voip · Platinum Member Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 3769

The initial drip feed of teaser material was a distinct turn off; really not worth wasting any time on; after watching a minute or so of the first offering, it wasn't worth bothering with any further.

With the latest videos giving some proper meat to chew on, the Genos seems not to be a bad offering. Based on the evidence seen thus far, more of a fit to the arrangers market than the workstation sector.

Not reaching for the wallet, just yet.

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wma · Full Member Joined: 17 Feb 2013 Posts: 127

still roland did not announce a real successor of the g70 arranger workstation
loved the genos but not mush impressed and it's costs as the tyros very over rated/over priced , but loved the guitar sounds and effects yet not impressed with the acoustic pianos - a 100-200$ piano vst would sound better for cheap

hope korg do interest us with an announcement - high-end portable performane synth or a wokstation but with performace capabilities

FriskyMoose · Joined: 03 Oct 2017 Posts: 3 Location: London

I just joined the forum as I like the discussion. I have been playing and gigging 17 years ago the last time with a Triton and i3 for years and they are still in my possession.

I wanted to get back into playing an arranger and had my eye on the PA4X for months now but wanted to see what Yamaha is releasing.

I totally agree the teaser videos did not bring anything to the table but the videos released yesterday finally gave us some idea on how the Genos sounds.

My take is that here in the U.K. the Genos is about £1500 more than the PA4X not even taking into account that a few good deals still to be had on the PA4X.

The sounds apart from the classic guitars sound all very thin to me, the grand piano sound the guy from Kraft was using was also very thin. Panning over to the 4X the piano is night and day. Maybe just a bad recording but after playing the Tyros in the shop once I had the same feeling. Even my old Triton sounded better to my ears.

The vocaliser is still the same old VH2 on the Genos, I believe the TV that Korg has in the 4X is superior to the Genos. Even the pa1000 has the advantage here.

The styling is great and display above the faders is a nice touch not relying on. The touch screen and wheel. The DSPs are nicely integrated too and the synth sounds are very good.

I am just finding it hard to justify the massive extra outlay over the 4X.

jimknopf · Platinum Member Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3374

An even more overpriced new arranger keyboard waiting for the open wallets of "no matter what" buyers?

And another halfbaked concept, neither fish nor flesh, sitting in nowhere land between professional arranger users (not really finding much benefit beyond what they already have, and not seeing some main wishes fulfilled), a playing help for helpless hobbyists, desperately trying to sound like a band in their living room (and still drowning in the posibilities), and real workstation users (who will prefer a Kronos hands down, not wanting or needing loads of arranger functions or silly bells and whistles, but a flexible gigging keyboard, with a basic sound far beyond that Kitsch and Muzak atmosphere), and finally the film score writers (who will pass by after a short nod to the "Kino" strings and still keep using their software solutions).

Funny mixing-it-all-up effort at nearly 7000 bucks Laughing

Just as confused as the weird Montage concept.
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Jan1 · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Mar 2005 Posts: 765

Your post is a bit tough when it comes to performers who earn a living with a one man band gig Jim, but you are right in pointing out the confusion created by the marketing team.
It's a Tyros 6 arranger workstation after all, nothing revolutionary or game changing.
I don't know what the marketing dept of Yamaha tried to achieve, but it is best forgotten ASAP, a sheer waste of budget.

From what I hear in the demos the Genos has great onboard sounds, as could be expected from Yamaha, and for those who think the typical workstation is too complex or those who have no desire to create their own sounds, or those who need a professional arranger for their performances, this looks like a great option.

Only, when you begin to compare the possibilities and specs of for example the KRONOS with the Genos, then the differences are HUGE.
And if anyone does not like to create sounds, it is also possible to use the KRONOS as a preset machine.
All that for well over a 1000 Euros less...
Plus, there also is the lower priced PA4X.
But if money is no objection then I am sure those who blindly pre-ordered the Genos without even having browsed through the manual will not be disappointed.

I don't know any movie composer who would order a Genos to create a soundtrack, so I don't think that group fall into Yamaha's target customer base.

Personally I prefer the traditional workstation (or music production workstation as Yamaha would call it), and I'll save up my money.

pjd37 · Joined: 21 Jul 2016 Posts: 12

WRT Genos, there are some nice updates to the Tyros for sure: touch panel, new user interface, assignable knobs/sliders and enhanced audio signal chain (i.e., "the DAC").

Bottom line, though, if I presently had a T5, Montage, PA4x or Kronos, I wouldn't be motivated to update or switch. Until we see the manuals, we won't know if voice editing has been improved.

Korg have a good thing going with the current PA line, especially the PA4x.

As usual, more opinions on the blog: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-genesis/

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Mr_SamDoogie · Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:03 pm Post subject:

dfahrner · Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:54 am Post subject:

One thing Yamaha did right: as compared to the Tyros5-76, the Genos is 4.5 inches shorter and 6.5 lbs lighter...important to working (and older) keyboardists who will be buying or upgrading...

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Giner · Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject:

With this new Genos I can see the well-heeled older demographic, who faithfully bought each successive Tyros iteration, splashing the considerable cash, and duly loading all their old registrations and carrying on as normal.

Yam knows their market, that's for sure. And if they can pull in some of the younger crowd with the dance heavy demos so far, then they're covering their bases. Time will tell.
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