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Anyone using Kross 2 audio over USB?
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meatballfulton
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It works but not as you might expect.

For some reason, Korg apparently chose to mix the USB audio input from the computer with the audio out of the Kross before tapping off the audio out to the computer. What that means is that when monitoring DAW playback while recording the Kross itself, the computer will record both the Kross and the DAW playback signals mixed together. Korg also did this with Kronos which is an even more bizarre design choice considering it is a flagship workstation (as I know this has not been fixed in any of the later versions of Kronos).

USB audio does work in the sense that you can record into the DAW and you can listen to DAW playback. You just can't do both at the same time Embarassed

It is a shame that Korg has not properly documented this in any of the manuals.
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KalvinB



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It works but not as you might expect".

It all depends on how you monitor the DAW output. As Meatball said you can't monitor DAW audio back through the Korg 2 (headphone jack) and keep tracks separate. You can monitor the previously recorded DAW tracks and incoming USB audio from the Kross through the computer speakers or other audio interface connected to the DAW and the tracks remain separated (as in record drums on track one, then play that back while recording piano on track 2 of the DAW). I tried monitoring with plain old computer speakers and also with a MOTU interface and those worked as expected-tracks separated (and that's the way I'm used to working). But if you try the same thing using the Korg headphone jack as the monitor, the previously recorded track (1-- the drums) will be mixed in the Kross and the USB audio output will have track one and what you're playing live (piano) both mixed onto DAW track 2. Not what is expected. Korg's flow chart in the manual shows the signals as mixed coming out of USB. One additional IC switch in the circuitry probably could have solved the problem but Korg didn't design it that way.

There is little to no documentation in the operations manual about audio over USB and Korg support doesn't seem to be of much help (see other earlier posts in this section). It's too bad Korg doesn't have a product support specialist like Yamaha's "Bad Mister" (Phil Clendeninn at Yamahasynth.com, who seems to know all the features and foibles of Yamaha music products). Oh well!
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alonsoramos



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone of you tried to use it for live performance?

I want to use it as an audio interface for Mainstage and also as a midi controler. Is it that feasible? is there latency issues?

Thanks for your help
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alonsoramos wrote:
Has anyone of you tried to use it for live performance?

I want to use it as an audio interface for Mainstage and also as a midi controler. Is it that feasible? is there latency issues?

Thanks for your help


Same question here...can I use korg kross 2 with mainstage but without audio interface? It's possible to get the audio from the vts's in mainstage trough the L&R of the Kross using the usb?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not even going to bother messing around with the USB interface(budget keyboard ones are always garbage anyway.)
I've had many Korg workstations over the years(01/W Pro X, Triton EX, M3 and M50)....but the menu layout & the effects configuration on the Kross 2 is a f**king train-wreck & impossible to understand fully.
I did discover that in the master effects section,the K2 is incapable of implementing both the reverb & delay effects in unison(it's either one or the other.) What's worse, is that there are NO reverb or delay/echo effects in the insert effects section......WHAT THE FLYING F**K!??
There is absolutely no way to make a complete & polished song onboard....so what I've decided to do, is create multiple tracks completely dry, followed by exporting each one individually(via the K2's audio recorder & then export them as WAV files.
The only way I would use the K2's onboard effects, is if I were to record a COMBI performance & then send to the audio recorder to supplement my PC DAW recordings.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korg didn't bother making an ASIO driver for the Kross2. We are stuck with ASIO4All and it takes some fiddling with the ASIO4All settings to get the Kross2 working with a DAW as an audio interface and to record the Kross' audio output as well (I've gotten it working with Cubase, at least; and no, the Steinberg Generic ASIO doesn't work with the Kross2, unfortunately). I'm guessing that demand for a driver has been near non-existant, hence they still won't do it. The competing Juno-DS has had an ASIO driver for years and is easy to setup for work with a DAW or VST host, and then the mediocre Yamaha MX49/61/88 is already designed for DAW integration (namely, Cubase AI).

Kross2 has gotten a couple of unnecessary updates (1.2.1 and 1.2.2) instead of getting an ASIO driver.
Dammit, Korg.
And I bet we are likely screwed on the DAW support front by the convenience of the Triton, M1, and Wavestation VSTs for Korg sounds (now Wavestate as well for higher quality Korg rompler sounds) while most Kross2 users are undoubtedly not using their keyboards with DAWs, or maybe only Audacity or something.

And to the too-easily-challenged friend bitching about the interface, what the hell is so confusing about the menus? Oscillator stuff is in the oscillator section, patch-wide LFOs in LFO/Common, EGs in EGs, and all relevant mod destinations in their corresponding pages, and the list goes on. You can't get any more logical, it is just like the M50, Krome, Kronos, etc. It requires too many button presses because we are forced to navigate parameter by parameter within each page, but it is VERY logically laid out. And at least we don't get a screen as poor and 1980s as the one on those mediocre MX keyboards, Kross lets us view more useful info at once, which is a time saver. An interface more like the Ultranova's would be best for a rompler (8 or more encoders to simultaneously manipulate multiple parameters at a time), if people bitched enough (over email) and Roland or Korg decided to supply and bring a difference to the market (I don't see that ever happening, most gigging keyboardists are just preset users and any complainers are not presenting complaints to Korg, just shouting at everyone else online).

If you ever touch a MOXF (killer sounding vintage keyboard), it will surely make your head explode and no one would ever hear from you ever again, lol
Now THAT is a bad interface if you want to do more than just select presets and arp patterns.
The Nautilus is in some ways slightly worse than a Kross2, lol, if you ignore the performance controls, Kross2 is the most messed up there versus any other keyboard, Korg or otherwise.

On the matter of the post FX limitations, they are indeed kind of odd, but not unexpected for the price. At least we can get 5 inserts in addition to the master FX, the competing keyboards offer less. I'm guessing that the keyboard could use a more potent ARM SoC, or perhaps Korg isn't also utilizing the SoC's GPU for additional processing power. Oh well.
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