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vili19 · Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Posts: 7

Hey all. First time poster, 10 year owner of a Pa800 sold few days ago. It was a great machine to me.

I was about to place an order for the 1000 and was told I would get one at the end of january. Fine.

Few days ago found out there is no fill buttons but there is the "Auto Fill" button.

What does this Auto Fill exacly do? Fill buttons are important to my style of play.

Korgs webstie under Style specifications clearly states Demo, 4 Variation, Auto Fill, 4 Fill Buttons. I dont see the 4 fill buttons anywhere on pictures, I've yet to Demo the unit.

Thanks

Nemik · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:27 am Post subject:

Best way is download Korg Pa1000 User Manual:
http://www.korg.com/us/support/download/manual/0/758/3652/
You will find explanation how Auto fill works on Page #54.
Wink

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ingar · Full Member Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 103

vili19 · Joined: 19 Dec 2017 Posts: 7

Auto Fill
Pa1000 can automatically play a matching fill before each Variation. When
the AUTO FILL indicator is on, when going from a Variation to a different
one a Fill is automatically selected.

This is dumb... Why Korg??

adimatis · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:08 pm Post subject:

It makes sense, in both ways:

1. If you want differently, you pay more for at least a 3xLE or soon 4xLE.

2. Most of the people will be happy to have it this way. There are three ways the Auto fill can work. And also is not that difficult to engage whatever fill-in you want toward whatever variation. It just takes some practice.

It is not dumb. It is just different that what you are used to. Smile

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ingar · Full Member Joined: 29 Mar 2007 Posts: 103

adimatis · Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:22 pm Post subject:

You'd do the simplest thing - disengage the auto-fill button. And this can be one-time only (off and on again) or permanent and only engage it when you do need a fill-in (on and off immediatelly after it)

Trust me, the issue is less annoying than it seems right now. You'll get used to it and the new workflow will feel natural after some practice.
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siebenhirter · Platinum Member Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1842

adimatis · Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:56 pm Post subject:

Now, I might be wrong as I do not have the Pa700 yet.

But this should work. If not, it is a little bit dumb. Smile

But if it works, it works:

For example, if you play variation 2 and want to trigger fill-in 4, going after that to variation 1, I think pressing button 4 and then immediatelly pressing button 1 should achieve exactly that. This is under the "target variation" auto-fill mode option.

Wouldn't it work like this? If not - bad. But this was exactly how my old Roland E60 used to work. Had no issues with choosing whatever fill-in I wanted, at any time.
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Biggles · Platinum Member Joined: 31 Aug 2017 Posts: 1006

I may be wrong BUT

It may be that once you have your chosen style and saved it to the Songbook with the desired Keyboard Sets and Pad assignments together with the initial Introduction and subsequent Variation that you can then go into the Style Record > Chord table and change the chords used in each of the four Fills.

The apprpopriate Fill will be played depending upon which Variation is used before the transition via the Fill to the selected Ending.

Like I said I may be wrong but this is how it looks in the 700 manual and hence I think the 1000 would be similar.
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siebenhirter · Platinum Member Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1842

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Korg Fan #1 · Junior Member Joined: 31 May 2016 Posts: 69

On the pa900 (which I have and id assume its the same on the pa1000) there is a button to turn auto fill on or off; when on the fill of the variation you are coming out of is played (i.e. if youre leaving variation 2 you will get fill 2)

john jay · Joined: 08 Dec 2017 Posts: 9

I've had mine for about 3 months now. It claims to be a professional Arranger. Well I've got lots of song fragments and patterns recorded into style elements but I haven't been able to arrange them into songs because the FILL-INS don't seem to function properly. Something called "AUTO-FILL" keeps sabotaging my work. If I turn it off, I get no FILLS at all. This "FEATURE" has proven to be a powerful tool indeed, to prevent the user from arranging music the way they want it.
Judging from the interface, everything necessary is there to select the fill you want and trigger it. It's the most basic sequencer application. All the proprietary self promoting hype in the literature gives that clear impression. Perhaps they disabled these functions to make you buy an even more expensive unit. If that's true then they're selling broken stuff. I've been searching forums for insight and people have commented on this problem. No one yet has said definitively how to resolve it. not even from Korg! I can only assume it just doesn't work, and they're not gonna say so.

I recommend this keyboard to someone with money to burn and needs a gift for a non musically inclined child to amuse themselves pushing buttons to hear what surprises come out. I cant recommend this keyboard to someone who needs a "Professional Arranger", since I can't arrange on it.

I could do complete songs on my 25 year old [$5oo] Yamaha PSR 510, which is a low end Arranger-Workstation. The Korg PA 1000 cost me 4 times that. I feel ripped off.

Nemik · Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 5:48 am Post subject:

@john jay
sorry to hear that, but I think you didn't fully understand manual how this works in Pa1000.
1. Auto- Fill button is engaging fills together with variations, means if you turn off is NO Fill at all.
2. Besides Auto-fill button has in Global > Mode Preferences > Style 1 page function called: Auto Fill Mode.
in User manual on page 60 is explanation how this works.
In case you can't find it, look on picture below:

Hope this going to help you stop sabotaging your work. Wink

BTW, in Pa700 and Pa1000 is only improving Auto-Fill, in older versions of Pa (600, 300, 3xle) was only 1 mode, was only Current Variation mode. ... means nothing worse, just improvement. Very Happy

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