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[AnthonyB]

From Apple:

""""Apple has confirmed the suspicions of many iPhone owners by revealing it does deliberately slow down some models of the iPhone as they age.
Many customers have long suspected that Apple slows down older iPhones to encourage people to upgrade.""""

So, my thinking wasn't a conspiracy theory after all then.


Apple's iPhones slowed to tackle ageing batteries
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42438745

My iPad Air 2s fine though but best go steady with these "updates".

Not only that, but Apple should EXCLUDE older products from there upgrad list. My brother for example has an iPhone 5 that upgraded itself ! In the night at 3 am and it almost crippled it. That can't be right surely? Illegal perhaps?


Tony
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[GregC]

I have a healthy distrust of large corps. Based on decades of working for them.

With that, lets acknowledge a bigger picture.

Which includes a more serious problem.

Rechargeable lithium batteries have a limited lifespan. IOW, they go to the shitter over time. Lithium batteries also can be a fire hazard.

Ever see a 600 degree burning lithium battery ? Thats pure aluminum exploding in the device and melting.

Its probably a good idea to put less stress on these batteries as they age.

I don't believe in getting worked up if these tech cos want more of my money.

Thats been going on +1000 years.
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[Timo]

Just upgraded from iPad 2 to iPad 2 Air.

The iPad 2 had slowed down massively.

iOS v7 was brilliant on iPad 2, but it slowed after upgrading from iOS 7 to 8. Upgrading it to 9.3.5 - the last iOS version supported by iPad 2 - caused it to slow dramatically, more than anything else. It largely and instantly converted it into a cabbage.

Unfortunately with Apple 1) you can delay, but are still eventually forced to update to the latest OS after it becomes available, and 2) you cannot revert, restore or reinstall an early OS if you don't like the latest version, therefore the unit effectively becomes locked into lower performance.

The iPad 2 was constantly crashing on iOS 9 as well, when it was perfectly fine beforehand. I would not be surprised in the slightest if they directly employed passive-aggressive annoyances to get you to upgrade the hardware. As a result, I would be loathed to buy a new Apple device. I only got the Air 2 second hand as I have a number of music apps that I can't otherwise use on an Android device or similar.
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[AnthonyB]

Well, Timo, my iPad Air 2 works flawless, and just done a geekbench (4) on my iPhone 6. And air 2 running 10.3.3


IPhone 6:

Single core 797

Multi core. 1371

Now the iPad Air 2 also on ios 10.3.3:

Single core: 1823

Multi core: 4388


notice the MASSIVE difference between the phone and iPad Air 2? There shouldn't be "that much of a gap" looking at online tests, but the iphone is decked by my air 2 scores. Also of note, is that my iPad Air 2 is older than my iPhone 6 and used more.

PS: just wondering if charging my iPhone 6 on the iPad Air 2 charger has damaged it? Even if Apple do say its ok. ? And would A NEW battery speed my iphone up again/ as get 6-7 hours battery life on the phone, so battery seems ok?? So its not like Ive got 2-3 hours battery on the phone....

Maybe its just their phones. (No discounting old iPad 2's like you had)

Tony.
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[Timo]

Regards the bugs, I was referring to the original iPad 2, not Air 2. The iPad 2 was discontinued 2014, the Air2 was only discontinued this last year.

The latest iOS on Air2 runs really well, though. However I've found the colours on the Air2 are dreadful compared to the iPad2, though. They seem so digitally saturated and unnatural.
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[GregC]

[AnthonyB]

Thanks Greg.

iv done battery replacement in iPhone 3G, 4gs but not inside an iPhone 6 (seen some YouTube vids and yes, they're a it fiddly). I'll l way up the situation and see whether £79 (ouch)! for an "appple-replacements" and a guarantee, versus a risky £20.


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[Koekepan]

This sort of nonsense from Apple is precisely why, despite a desperate lust for Gadget, I have never obtained it.

I fully intend to, this coming year, on Nintendo Switch.

I mourn for the days, decades ago, when Apple was really focused on the needs of creators. It seems like a fairytale now, doesn't it?

"Gather round, young'ins, and let Grampa Koekepan tell ye all a tale of the days when Apple and Commodore fought like titans over the artists of the world ..."

[jbeliz]

People upgrade because they want to they always need the newest most latest device which is there own fault, i've had an iphone 5s for the longest time although it might seem a little slower because its memory is almost maxed out but still until it completely breaks i will upgrade, the speeds were not that drastic that you need to upgrade although Apple played a huge role in it.
I will still use iphone not enough to change because of this news unless they something that will compromise security privacy.
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[GregC]

[Kevin Nolan]

Apple implement algorithms on older devices with newer OS's that are more power hungry, in order to manage battery recharge times. There's no conspiracy here - just smart power management.

[GregC]

[Kevin Nolan]

I use Apple "everything" - iPhone, iPad, MBP, MBA, LPX, ....

but you'll get no argument from me - I find the company reprehensible in so many regards:

- Soldering RAM into their computers so you can't upgrade
- 16GB limit on MBP RAM - since 2011!
- iPads non-upgrdable after only a few years
- Removal of all ports from computers
- Removal of headphone socket from iPhone
- Relentless dropping of Bus and Port standards
- Poor backward compatibility
- Feature changes in the likes of iOS and iTunes that drive you nuts
- iTunes FAR past its sell by date as a content management environment
- iCloud "mess" - perpetually loosing data inadvertently deleted across devices
- LPX 16-MIDI channel input limit (no recognition of MIDI Hubs or Ports)
- LPX Limit of 255 Instrument channels
- Apple's hugely questionable tax affairs
- Apple's 'might' bullying the Silicon Valley region council (land tax avoidance)
...
- Apple's music "stunt" with U2


Overall, I find Apple to be one of the most reprehensible companies, ever. Their arrogance beggars belief. Worst of all - they have not come up with one innovative idea since Steve Jobs passed away; while the feature set of almost every Apple application has deteriorated to the point of widespread loathing of them across the planet.

And - even in their darkest era - they still garnered a very loyal following of users - Apple Users - but - they have gone - not just because Apple's devices are increasingly pathetic but also because Apple themselves have in essence told that 'community' that they don't want their loyalty. they have abandoned the high-quality and ease of computing that they were renowned for.


I worked for Sun Microsystems - and even at their peak I could see issues. Sun did not believe in developing applications - they thought that they could always be a hardware company - a fatal flaw because the moment PC/Linux came along, Sun's days were numbered. But would Sun listen? No. They thought the money would keep flowing from universities, government agencies and banks. But it dried up.

Apple are in the very same position. They think they can control their revenue streams through hardware with "style". Only - their hardware is s**t - and it no longer stand out, style wise.

So as powerful as they are, I believe their days are seriously numbered. Unless they embrace serious computing at affordable prices, they can forget about it - and if their latest $12,000+ iMac and $1000+ iPhones are anything to go by, then they can forget about any long term future.

I use Apple "everything" because I', a Logic Pro user and because at one point it was an advantage to use Apple hardware; but I, like increasing millions across the globe, just loath the company.

One exception - iPad is still an amazing 'paradigm' that other companies have not quite equalled yet (I know there'll be debate on that but iPad is a remarkable device and approach to technical 'living and working').

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