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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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amit wrote: | Here's something to ponder over.
What if Korg follow suit for say the Kronos.
Imagine after every major firmware update, you lose some polyphony.
- at some eventual stage , Karma gets reduced to 2 modules, or audio glitches.
- you start feeling more latency (large sample buffers)
In a nutshell,your older projects no longer work the way they used to.
The things/power/features you need and paid for no longer work as expected as the manufacturer thinks/has started thinking otherwise.
How would u feel?
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I understand your point. But I notice most ' analogies ' or comparisons are flawed.
Kronos does not have any reliance on a battery. It would never happen since I believe Kronos needs steady power. Had to point out the obvious. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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amit Approved Merchant
Joined: 13 Jul 2015 Posts: 825 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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okay, but only if you say so! _________________ DX7-MOD-7 Patches | Korg Related Content
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Biggles Platinum Member
Joined: 31 Aug 2017 Posts: 1012
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Apple can be nothing short of being arrogant and pig ignorant to the millions of users at times.
Its not rocket science to have the software warn the user that their battery performace is getting to the level that a replacement battery is required.
As I understand it battery life cycles before the performance degrades vary depending upon the depth of discharge and hence its a wide ball park. For a typical partial discharge and recharge c1000 charge cycles or say 3 years should be reasonably expected before performance drops off.
Ergo Apple is trying to con their users by their ineptitude of thinking that users are not as smart as they are when we know opposite. _________________ Biggles
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Bachus Platinum Member
Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3127
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with Apple is they are in the same position as Microsoft was a decade ago. They are market leader amd make to much money, which gets them treated with loads of unbriddled hatred.
Thats just human nature... _________________ Korg Kronos 2/88 , Genos, Mainstage3 +VSTsu, ipad pro, GSi Gemini, Roland Integra 7, Jupiter Xm, Yamaha motif XS rack, Ketron SD90.
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Biggles wrote: | Apple can be nothing short of being arrogant and pig ignorant to the millions of users at times.
Its not rocket science to have the software warn the user that their battery performace is getting to the level that a replacement battery is required.
As I understand it battery life cycles before the performance degrades vary depending upon the depth of discharge and hence its a wide ball park. For a typical partial discharge and recharge c1000 charge cycles or say 3 years should be reasonably expected before performance drops off.
Ergo Apple is trying to con their users by their ineptitude of thinking that users are not as smart as they are when we know opposite. |
Thats true. We are all lemmings until we find out there is an app to help educate us:
https://www.howtogeek.com/254739/how-to-check-your-iphones-battery-health/
There are quite a few apps out there that will check the status of your battery right from your phone, but we found one that is pleasantly simple, free, and available in the App Store.
If you can put up with some annoying ads, Battery Life Doctor
is able to give you a straightforward, no-nonsense display of your iPhone’s battery health status. There are several different sections in the app, but the one you’ll want to focus on is “Battery Life”. Tap on “Details” to get more info about your battery’s health status.
(On this screen, the first thing you’ll notice is the big graphic, which tells you the overall health of your battery, either by saying “Perfect”, “Good”, “Bad”, etc. You’ll also see “Wear Level” followed by a percentage. This is how much your battery has degraded. So if it reads 13%, then the total charge capacity that the battery can hold is 87% of its original maximum (a brand new battery will be 100%).) _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Bachus wrote: | The problem with Apple is they are in the same position as Microsoft was a decade ago. They are market leader amd make to much money, which gets them treated with loads of unbriddled hatred.
Thats just human nature... |
Thats definitely a fair point.
I don't thing this is such big news
Apple is all about giving their shareholders more value.
Look at the stock. Stock Price was around $120 per share beginning 2017.
Its $170 today.
Thats not a fluke either.
If Apple was so fracking awful, the stock price would reflect it.
And its not.
No matter what we post here. I did say something about understanding the bigger picture. Look at that stock performance in case
there's interest in the bigger picture of a co like Apple. _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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Kevin Nolan Approved Merchant
Joined: 04 Dec 2005 Posts: 2524 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:24 am Post subject: |
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@Sharp - Apple are are dynamically controlling some _some_ operations- not _all_ operations - for power conservations reasons.
Yet you're persisting on accusing them of purposely slowing down iPhones. At the same time, you're actually purposely slowing down replying speeds on this forum, where there is no need for it with the volume of traffic on this forum. Can't you see the irony (or contradiction??).
amit wrote: | Here's something to ponder over.
What if Korg follow suit for say the Kronos.
Imagine after every major firmware update, you lose some polyphony.
- at some eventual stage , Karma gets reduced to 2 modules, or audio glitches.
- you start feeling more latency (large sample buffers)
In a nutshell,your older projects no longer work the way they used to.
The things/power/features you need and paid for no longer work as expected as the manufacturer thinks/has started thinking otherwise.
How would u feel?
Happy Holidays all! |
@Amit - Korg ARE already doing this - polyphony changes depending on how you load the system! There are active load balancing algorithms in place just for this!
Apple aren't slowing iPhones down - there are algorithms that do it - to load balance. EVERY company does this. It's not a story - and you're using a dozen devices, now, doing the same thing! Why aren't you complaining about those? Here's the answer: because you don't know about them. Apple were up front about this because it's a non-story - there's nothing to hide! It's the posters here who are fabricating a "story" out of this. |
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StephenKay KARMA Developer Approved Merchant
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 2979 Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:27 am Post subject: |
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The proof that it's a "non-story" was exhibited by the stock market today. Apple was down like 2%, and why? Not a single mention of this story. It was because of some analysis that iphone X sales were not possibly going as well as Apple had anticipated. Nothing about this. Crickets.
Personally, I had an iPhone 5 (!) for the last 3 years, up until about a month ago when I got the iPhone X (stunning phone in my opinion, best I've ever had, it's the perfect size and weight and the face recognition thing is exceptional, as is the lack of a home button - it's so much better without one... but I digress) - and I never noticed a problem with it "slowing down" (if in fact it was). _________________ Stephen Kay - KARMA Developer • Karma-Lab - karma-lab.com
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Sam CA Platinum Member
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 3990 Location: Los Angeles
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StephenKay KARMA Developer Approved Merchant
Joined: 18 Jun 2002 Posts: 2979 Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:54 am Post subject: |
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The thing with these "class action" lawsuits is that they are all ginned up by lawyers hoping to represent the "aggrieved class" -> massive dollars for the lawyers.
If they were even successful, the end result would be:
$15 gift certificate for each iphone owner
$2,000,000 for the law firm. _________________ Stephen Kay - KARMA Developer • Karma-Lab - karma-lab.com
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amit Approved Merchant
Joined: 13 Jul 2015 Posts: 825 Location: New Delhi, India
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: |
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@Amit - Korg ARE already doing this - polyphony changes depending on how you load the system! There are active load balancing algorithms in place just for this!
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I understand Kevin, been in this industry for very long.
Part of what I said was based off some misinformed article I read as well as perhaps the author going bit overboard with it.
I have no objections to what they are doing, it's just how its being done, especially with users not being aware of that.
Throttling is a common thing, as 90% consumers work for instantaneous load as opposed to constant load systems. If throttling is what is apple is donig then that is nothing new and i don't even know why that had to become a news.
From what I read (or what was implied) was that apple is slowing the systems down permanently based off battery AGE (and not load).
IOW, if you battery/phone is old, apple will render your system slow irrespective of if you replaced your battery or are running OFF External POWER. This is a different situation altogether (Static Underclocking) as opposed to dynamic load balancing.
My problem is with the arrogant behavior of manufacturers (not just apple) where they get to decide that a degraded performance is best of me, on a unit of hardware now owned by me without my having any Know/Say in it or rendering the device useless (in case it was a specific use case I bought the device for).
If they want control of the hardware, then they should lease that and after specific period should take it back and offer an upgraded system with nominal charge. Again am not here to discuss business models or anything.
I havent used an iPhone since v3 , but have many iPads. _________________ DX7-MOD-7 Patches | Korg Related Content
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Sam CA Platinum Member
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 3990 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:42 am Post subject: |
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StephenKay wrote: | The thing with these "class action" lawsuits is that they are all ginned up by lawyers hoping to represent the "aggrieved class" -> massive dollars for the lawyers.
If they were even successful, the end result would be:
$15 gift certificate for each iphone owner
$2,000,000 for the law firm. |
Totally! I get 50 cents checks from time to time from "class action suits" that I didn't even know I was a part of!!! I just received one the other day. It had to do with my car's airbag or something... _________________ Sam
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Sharp Site Admin
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 18197 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Kevin Nolan wrote: | At the same time, you're actually purposely slowing down replying speeds on this forum, where there is no need for it with the volume of traffic on this forum. Can't you see the irony (or contradiction??).
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Just proves what I said in my last post. You really don't listen.
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voip Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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iOS should give the iPhone user an option to tell it when a new battery has been installed so that the "brakes" can be taken off again....if that is the only reason the performance is being throttled.
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jbeliz Full Member
Joined: 10 Jul 2010 Posts: 194 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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I just think most of the negative comments about this are from Android users needing an excuse to make up for the exploding phones, i prefer a slower phone than an exploding one anyday. I don't think anyone could have told the difference i had my i5s for years it never got that slow to the point i needed to upgrade, all my Apple devices still work very well, i won't change. _________________ Korg Kronos 2,Korg Oasys 76, Korg 01W/fd, Korg im1 ipad, Korg Triton Extreme, Korg Triton Studio, Korg M3, Roland Integra 7, Yamaha Montage 7, Roland Fantom 6, Korg Nautilus, Korg PA4X, Korg Kross 2 |
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