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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:13 am    Post subject: From Pa4x to Yamaha Reply with quote

I need to hear your opinion on this:
I am in a serious thought of moving to Yamaha's Genos or any other newer model.
The reason i am thinking about it is basicaly because it's almost two years i got pa4x and still has many bugs and freezes,and i dont want to wait longer for Korg to fix these bugs,when they decide or want to....i mean it's ridiculous and annoying to see the message about fast pressing and having the keyboard freezed after that....That's why i bought this keyboard,because i want a fast and capable arranger,if it's not fast enough,then it's not an arranger,no one wants to play nonstop leaving extra bars all the time,and for sure that's not what i paid for.

On the other hand,there is Yamaha,they have good sounds,good operating systems,good support from service to online shop.
My only problem is to convert over a thousand styles i use to Yamaha's format.It will take me more than a year,i know....but i wont need to do it again on the next updated models in future,since Yamaha's support on midi files and styles always look backwards to older models compared to Korg who forgets the oldest models for ever.

Plus,it will sound greater....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Korg1
Sorry to hear you are still having problems with the latest OS - I thought most of those problems were sorted out - I haven't seen any complaints for quite a while.
Anyhow, I can appreciate your frustration (is it possible you have a faulty PA4X?)

As far as jumping into Genos I would ask if you are sure you won't have other bug-related problems?? It's very new and I am sure there are some glitches.

I am not quite sure I understand your concerns about the PA4X not being "fast" - were you referring to seamless mode transition per an earlier post from you?
I could not consider the Genos since it really hasn't changed much from Tyros 5 in terms of being conducive to "performing live".
At least they have a touch screen but if you look at the T5 and Genos manuals they are very much "copy & paste" in many areas.
They've added some fun control surface but also removed and moved some too.

Of course, if your PA4X clearly doesn't work for you, then you need to change - make your choice carefully - maybe look at the SD9 as an alternative. If I was giving up on Korg I would take a chance on Ketron in preference to Yamaha right now.

Just my thoughts.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to make my problems with pa4x cleaar.The problems i am still facing ,are:

1.Random Freezes when choosing a style or searching for a style.Not as many as before update,but still is a problem when you are performing in front of 500people or more.It doesnt have to do with styles themselves ,as it happens for factory styles as well.Reboot is the only way to work again.

2. I am still loosing STS radomly even after i resave StS or re-dit style and settings.

3. In songbook mode,we used to have that BIG SELECT BUTTON,remember?
Now when it comes to non-stop gig, we have to actually AIM the style we want,right?
That's what i do,and even if i am lucky enough to strike the right title at the right time, i might be unlucky at actually working,since sometimes the respond is not fast,or at all,so i have to press again the title.....Here is another problem: A pop up message appears saying that i am pressing too fast and the style didnt load....Ok,i can live with that but after that,even if the keyboard is working,the sonkbook isnt working anymore,and it is stucked, i can no longer choose another style,unless i do a reboot.

Come on guys at Korg,seriously now?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Korg1,

I´m nearly for 100% sure that you´ve got a faulty PA4X...

So far I never had a "freezing" or loosing STS ...

I´m in contact with a Genos-Demonstrator, he´s very unhappy with a lot of Genos functions, especially when "upgrading" from a Tyros5.

You can´t just "convert" older registrations ( although Yamaha promises that, but this topic won´t be relevant for you ), the "YEM" is as buggy as no other Yamaha-program etc...

The "USB" feature in Genos is very tricky, depending on the sequence you put sticke in your genos they´ll have different drive-letters.
If you´ve got more than one stick inserted while switching on the Genos the drive-letters will be assigned randomly...

Anyway, YOU, and just YOU have to decide if you do this step...

I wish you a good luck Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have historically had issues with freezing and the root cause where hardware faults not software... so after some time and pain with this problem I now have a 3rd replacement pa4x which is working fine unlike the other 2 units with motherboard faults straight out the box ... I would get korgs engineers to test your pa4x for you instead of struggling trying to anticipate what the cause may be as I wasted far too much time waiting for the promise of a firmware fixes when in actual fact it was hardware issues all the time....as for Genos then you may miss the depth and breadth the pa4x has to offer... get your pa4x looked at and fixed if that's what is required and then think carefully befor jumping to the Genos.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you guys for your effort!!!! Didnt know about faulty yamaha os,but i believe that Yamaha is counting a lot on the musicsoft site she has created,she wont leave a buggy os for a long time.

I also dont think it's a faulty's pa4x issue,cause there is an extended discussion post about this problem,here at the forum, many people have this bug for a long time now,it;s not something that happens to me only.

I have to say that my Pa4x is Fully loaded with styles,USER and Direct as well.
Os 2' update messeed up my songbook and Sts ibelieve,and OS2.01 just fixed somehow the frequently freeze problem,at least it happens less times than before.
Of course all of these might be the problem as well,i mean maybe the PA4x's proceccor cant work with so many data,or the Os cant handle the data as expected,i dont know what the fault is,what i know is that everything worked before upgrade exept freeze problem, now freeze doesnt happen to often but still happens.Plus i loose STS and Songbook entries sometimes give back a message that cant be found,while other times works ok....hard drive issue maybe? too much information for OS' to handle?Who knows?
I am not willing to wait for another year to find it out.
SD9 and Ketron on other hand are always the best at sounds etc, but service and Os' ?That could be more buggy by far.
Best solution for quality and future support,i still believe is Yamaha .....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D575.... 3 faulty hardware out of the box? That should mean that Korg is selling shitty hardware to us.....or has something against you Surprised Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy i would be very ungry if they send me 3 times a faulty board Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi korg1... i had two faulty pa4x's and the 3rd pa4x is working fine for me + a pa4x owner I know also had the same problem with his 1st pa4x which was also faulty and his 2nd replacement unit as far as I know is working fine Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korg1 wrote:
1.Random Freezes when choosing a style or searching for a style.Not as many as before update,but still is a problem when you are performing in front of 500people or more.It doesnt have to do with styles themselves ,as it happens for factory styles as well.Reboot is the only way to work again.
2. I am still loosing STS radomly even after i resave StS or re-dit style and settings.
I don't doubt your word for one second but am also wondering about the state of your PA4X (faulty?) - I do not know of anyone else (currently) experiencing this. I think we would all be having these issues if it was an OS problem - is it still under warranty?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will perform a format and reinstall the factory only and try it for a while after New year's ,and i will try to rebuild the songbook and my user/direct banks using Pa manager,and i will run any diagnostic tests i can find,but i still believe it has to do with the Os'....


Happy new year to everyone guys!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korg 1 , I develop Pa4X in extreme depth and I can ensure you that nothing of those issues have happened to any Pa4X
OS in any level , except some certain bugs that have been addressed and Pa4X OS has never frozen while performing in style
changes , KBD sets , or loosing data when under factory resources , or resources that are exclusively made in Pa4X from scratch !
Unlike that , many users that use resources like styles (STY) and custom sound resources especially from Pa800/Pa2X
models , face all above mentioned plus other 10 kind of malfunctions and system freezes , even under factory resources !
The same can be caused with an incompatible direct SET !

I have mentioned many times that Pa4X is not 100% compatible with resources older than Pa3X architecture , PCG & STY
files can't completely translated in Pa4X and the identified code part of files lead OS to crush !
Another malfunction reason is hacked commercial packs where protection code bugs in PCG & KMP files crush system
(on purpose like I do) and this can't be healed , unless you get rid of them by factory restore !

I personaly have not found a single hardware issue in clients Pa4X that have visited my lab , only incompatible buggy
custom resources of older models !
As last Yamaha Tyros or Genos are definitely not an option for a style developer , I have tried them and highly
recommend not to try it !

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:22 pm    Post subject: from korg to Yamaha Reply with quote

Hello
My friend own Yamaha Genos and he say he regrets getting it, like the other guys say, i think you have a faulty pa4x's, I've been using my Pa4x for a little over a year never have any problems with freezing, personally I don't think Yamaha is the answer, but you do what you want. Korg is a lot easy to work with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Genos does not have a songbook function anymore.
All goes via the registrations, you can load 10 registrations at a time.
The old songbook in the T5 does not keep the settings, so it has max 2500 styles in it with a songname, nothing more.
If you like organs the Yamaha's are very good, the other voices in a Korg are much better and the edit of the Korg voices is infinite compared with poor possibilities in the Tyros and Genos.
I know because I had a PA2 and now a T5.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, i wish i was the only one who faces these problems,then i would believe that tere is something wrong with my board,but i talked with more than 2 friends who also have pa4x,and they all have these symptoms as well.

If what Anthony says is right,then we have two things to think:

1) If older sets are incompatible or non 100% compatible,how they were working before but not now? - All my songbook entries and all my STS at styles or songbook were working exelent with Os1.21 . The only issue then was the many freeze problems.

2)According to 1 we can come to conclusion that korg sold us hardware with older model's' Os at a new box, and now with the new Os is really what we paid for,right?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

forgot to mention that freeze problems exist even while only factory resources
are loaded,so it doesn't have to do with incompatible sets or anything like that.


Just trying to find out what is happening.....
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