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A Karma puzzle question for mr. Steven Kay

 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:12 am    Post subject: A Karma puzzle question for mr. Steven Kay Reply with quote

Kronos advanced users/developers already know that Kronos AMS controllers are not sufficient for switching sound
timbres , since polyphony wasting is the same , as the OSC are in "ON" state muted and polyphony runs out !
Only velocity layers really disable the other oscillators and of course Karma engine if used as sound
timbres switching with the well known Karma scenes PRT configuration from Korg Oasys age.
I also use for years in my Kronos EXs Nuance Control sound development , similar configuration of Karma PRT
for switching sound timbres when saving polyphony is required , using DynaMIDI controllers assigned to
±Y / ±JY / pedals etc (some more #CC like CC80/81 Velo , AT # could be nice to exist there though).
In my latest giant development of Cinematic Suite Library , I found necessary to use all Karma RPT potentials
in order to decrease polyphony to slightest for timbres automation when Round-Robin and complicated
articulation are used for real time emulation of a symphonic orchestra that can approach 70 notes/key.

So my question is about an essential (for me) Karma PRT function that can't make it work and here is a brief example:
- I have established Karma PRT A & B groups that are assigned not to SW Karma switches but to DynaMIDI 1 & 2
- DynaMIDI 1 & 2 are triggered by damper pedal # , sent to RT parameter control /+positive/-negative to A/B groups.
- This actually switches between A & B groups when assigned pedal is pressed or released respectively.
- This function works fine while in COMBI while pressing or releasing pedal , but when I change Combi and then
return back to it , information is floating and no sound is triggered until I press pedal once , that will recall the
state of "ON" & "OFF" of A & B Program groups , same happens with ±Y / ±JY controllers trigger.
Using SW Karma scenes works fine in any state , but this is not the wanted here.

I will greatly appreciate if the inventor mr. Steven Kay or any other deeply experienced Karma user knows how
to set an initial state for A group to be constantly in "ON" condition when Combi is selected since initial "value"
settings seem to have no effect when the Combination is recalled ...

Thanks in advance for your time

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More setting details

- DynaMIDI
Source : damper
bottom : 000
top : 001
continuous
Destination : RT Parameter Control
-negative (nor +positive)

- PRT parameters
as in Karma scenes , but triggered by DynaMIDI
min : 000
max : 001
value : any 000 or 001 do not respond when initially entering Combi

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be pretty difficult for me to rebuild whatever it is you've got programmed here based on the information provided. If you want to send me an example combi, programmed the way you have said, but using just factory programs so I can examine it, I would try to take a look at it. email to: support AT karma-lab.com

It's possible that the value is indeed floating (and it shouldn't be). There might be a way to fix it by tweaking the parameters, but I can't really know without looking at how it's all set up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen as first thanks for your prompt answer and the willing to step in and address this !
Today I had the inspiration not to initialize Karma of Combi but instead to use an Init Combi and re-built Combi & Karma
PRT and my concept worked unexpectedly !
But I still haven't addressed what causes this floating initial state or this PRT in this Combi that's why I sent you in email &
PM PCG file that is assigned with factory resources and contains the following 3 Combis :
1. 2 SW not working (the original that has all the proper settings but not working)
2. 2 SW working (replicated no 1 with same settings but working ! )
3. My Way of Karma 4 Sw , a sample of Karma automation that I've designed for switching timbres instead of AMS ,
which I will describe bellow in order other Kronos users realize how Karma can enhance Kronos engine in sound development.
- Entering in this Combi , A sounds layer is by default activated
- When -Y is hold , additional B sounds layer is revealed
- When +Y is hold A & B are disabled and only C sounds layer is active.
- In whatever state of Y controller (A , A+B , C) a 4th sounds layer D will be activated when damper pedal is pressed
and the polyphony is according to how many layers are active ...
This automation functionality translated in AMS muting technique , will definitely run out Kronos polyphony !

Another major Karma feature in doing this (thanks to you) , is that the that the selected group of sound is launched until you
release keys and next selected timbres group are played only in newly pressed keys !!!
This provides a very smooth sound transition between Sound layers without abrupt glitches in real time performing of complex
Combis with many sound articulation that Kronos engine lacks when using AMS topology !

Another 2 critical questions for Karma Engine.
1) Is there any indirect/tricky way of assigning DynaMIDI with SW1 & SW2 (#CC80/81) without disturbing CC# factory global setup ?
This would enhance the SW1/2 use that are incompletely improper for AMS sounds switching !
My current indirect solution for one SW is the assignment of both SW & DynaMIDI to existing #65 but Sound timbres must
be edited for that purpose and portamento function is disabled.
2) Is there any way to recognize & define note spaces of legato played notes (2nd/3rd ... 7th) via Karma in order to activate
specific sampled legato notes layer of accustic music instruments as we scripting in Kontakt sampler ?
If this could be possible then a revolution could be started in contest , Workstations vs VST libraries that I'm missing in order
to completely compete them in WavesArt sound libraries !

Sorry for the "long train" and thanks in advance.
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