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jg:: Platinum Member
Joined: 14 Aug 2003 Posts: 685 Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:54 am Post subject: |
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The issue relating to "hearing a beep but no action results" with the touchscreen....
This has always happened to me occasionally, even going back to Oasys and M3 (I don't recall Triton behaving like this, but it was a monochrome display). It happens when you don't press closely enough to the "sweet spot". Hence using a stylus or fingernail can be better for accuracy than a finger.
However, I've always wondered how it's possible for you to be close enough to elicit a beep from the screen, but not close enough to actually trigger the action you want. Surely, you would think, if you are close enough to trigger a beep, then you are close enough to trigger the action.
I assume it's something to do with the display itself. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this could happen in the development/manufacturing process? |
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SeedyLee Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1370 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's a display issue.
The Kronos will beep anytime you press the touch screen. Whether you are close enough to a user interface control to affect its state is another matter.
It might be a nice change if it only beeped when you successfully press a control, not just when you touch the screen. _________________ Current Equipment:
Korg Kronos 2 88, Reface CS, Roland JV-1080, TE OP1, Moog Subsequent 37, Korg ARP Odyssey, Allen & Heath Zed 18, Adam F5, MOTU MIDI Express XT, Lexicon MX200 & MPX1, Yamaha QY700, Yamaha AW16G, Tascam DP008ex, Zoom H6, Organelle, Roland J6 & JU06A
Previous: Triton LE 61/Sampling/64MB/4GB SCSI, MS2000BR, Kronos 1 61, Monotribe, NanoKontrol, NanoKeys, Kaossilator II, Casio HT3000, Roland VP-03, Reface DX, Novation Mininova, MPC One |
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BobTheDog Platinum Member
Joined: 21 May 2007 Posts: 1535
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: |
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Thats my take on the beep as well, when I first got it the touchscreen annoyed the hell out of me, I must have got used to it by now though! |
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pete.m Senior Member
Joined: 05 Apr 2013 Posts: 484
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I posted earlier on this one to mention that you can go to Global and disable the beep. |
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runningman67 Platinum Member
Joined: 06 Aug 2011 Posts: 1663 Location: Manchester UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:16 am Post subject: |
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pete.m wrote: | I posted earlier on this one to mention that you can go to Global and disable the beep. |
Yes, remember to save global setting after you turn it off.
It will only beep once to tell you it's booted up and then it is silent. _________________ https://m.youtube.com/user/1967runningman |
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LaLaLand
Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Posts: 31
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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jg:: wrote: | The issue relating to "hearing a beep but no action results" with the touchscreen....
This has always happened to me occasionally, even going back to Oasys and M3 (I don't recall Triton behaving like this, but it was a monochrome display). It happens when you don't press closely enough to the "sweet spot". Hence using a stylus or fingernail can be better for accuracy than a finger.
However, I've always wondered how it's possible for you to be close enough to elicit a beep from the screen, but not close enough to actually trigger the action you want. Surely, you would think, if you are close enough to trigger a beep, then you are close enough to trigger the action.
I assume it's something to do with the display itself. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this could happen in the development/manufacturing process? |
That’s exactly what’s bothering me. But it happened to me with a stylus too. Therefore I would think it’s rather related to the processing of the command itself. Anyway, not something I was expecting from top of the line unit. _________________ Ride on |
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LaLaLand
Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Posts: 31
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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SeedyLee wrote: |
The Kronos will beep anytime you press the touch screen.
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I don’t think so. Mine beeps only at buttons or similar selectable objects. _________________ Ride on |
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jeremykeys Platinum Member
Joined: 19 Jun 2011 Posts: 3092 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Mine only beeps when I hit a bad note.
So the damn thing never ever stops beeping! _________________ If music is the food of love, play on and play loud!
Gear: Kronos 73, Triton Pro-X, Wavestation EX, Polysix, King Korg, Monotron and Monotron Duo, Minikorg, Moog Grandmother, 1 Roland U-20, Hammond M3, 4 acoustic and 6 electric guitars, 1 Ibanez 5 string bass, a bunch of microphones and other very cool toys, 1 wife and 3 cats! |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:08 am Post subject: |
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jeremykeys wrote: | Mine only beeps when I hit a bad note.
So the damn thing never ever stops beeping! |
mine doesn't beep. But it does say "QUANTISE "
frequently _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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LaLaLand wrote: | SeedyLee wrote: |
The Kronos beep anytime you press the touch screen.
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I don’t think so. Mine beeps only at buttons or similar selectable objects. |
the beep might sound slightly before initiating a command or action via LCD, similar to swiping your finger/stylus on the LCD. Some variation based on finger pressure.
Thats what I would expect from a top of the line keyboard.
Anyway, I disabled the beep sound GLOBAL/Basic.
1 of the many great features I enjoy from a top of the line keyboard workstation _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
Achieve your musical dreams
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LaLaLand
Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Posts: 31
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Thanks GregC for clarification.
My daily job is in the industry with lots of automation using touchscreens (SIEMENS, ALLEN BRADLEY, BEIJER...). All screens are resistive touch technology, as per industry standard. So I really have a lot of experience using such device. Since this is my first Korg and my first touchscreen synth, I was questioning if noticed behavior is normal, or related to my unit alone.
I got my question answered thanks to this forum.
I’ll just have to get used to it and enjoy it as much as possible.
Thanks. _________________ Ride on |
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voip Platinum Member
Joined: 27 Nov 2014 Posts: 3776
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Agree on the beep only occuring when touching the screen on buttons or selectable objects so, the question is, is something else actually being activated, or is a double press being detected resulting in a selection box being toggled too rapidly to be visible. |
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GregC Platinum Member
Joined: 15 May 2002 Posts: 9451 Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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LaLaLand wrote: | Thanks GregC for clarification.
My daily job is in the industry with lots of automation using touchscreens (SIEMENS, ALLEN BRADLEY, BEIJER...). All screens are resistive touch technology, as per industry standard. So I really have a lot of experience using such device. Since this is my first Korg and my first touchscreen synth, I was questioning if noticed behavior is normal, or related to my unit alone.
I got my question answered thanks to this forum.
I’ll just have to get used to it and enjoy it as much as possible.
Thanks. |
I din't know if this was stated, and maybe you are aware by now.
Kronos LCD is not your iPad . Its not resistive.
Its capacitive. ( for example, foil is not useful)
Kronos was developed just at , or before the first iPad.
Capacitive was common on all devices.
Some history for you.
https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/355922/capacitive_vs_resistive_touchscreens/ _________________ Kronos 88. MODX8
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LaLaLand
Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Posts: 31
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I’m not sure I understood your point, but just to clarify -I’m aware of Kronos‘ touchscreen type.
Kronos has resistive touchscreen, meaning you have to depress the surface to make a signal. Same as all industrial touch panels.
Smartphones today have capacitive touchscreen where light touch of a bare finger or other conductive material makes a signal. It was introduced in 2007, way before Kronos. Korg utilized capacitive screen 8 years later, starting with PA4X. _________________ Ride on |
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LaLaLand
Joined: 22 Jan 2018 Posts: 31
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Finger touch on touch screen is driving me nuts! I’m sure it could have been done better.
With nail it’s a bit more obedient.
With stylus it’s perfect. But not so convenient. _________________ Ride on |
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