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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The issue relating to "hearing a beep but no action results" with the touchscreen....

This has always happened to me occasionally, even going back to Oasys and M3 (I don't recall Triton behaving like this, but it was a monochrome display). It happens when you don't press closely enough to the "sweet spot". Hence using a stylus or fingernail can be better for accuracy than a finger.

However, I've always wondered how it's possible for you to be close enough to elicit a beep from the screen, but not close enough to actually trigger the action you want. Surely, you would think, if you are close enough to trigger a beep, then you are close enough to trigger the action.

I assume it's something to do with the display itself. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this could happen in the development/manufacturing process?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's a display issue.

The Kronos will beep anytime you press the touch screen. Whether you are close enough to a user interface control to affect its state is another matter.

It might be a nice change if it only beeped when you successfully press a control, not just when you touch the screen.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats my take on the beep as well, when I first got it the touchscreen annoyed the hell out of me, I must have got used to it by now though!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I posted earlier on this one to mention that you can go to Global and disable the beep.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pete.m wrote:
I posted earlier on this one to mention that you can go to Global and disable the beep.


Yes, remember to save global setting after you turn it off.
It will only beep once to tell you it's booted up and then it is silent.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jg:: wrote:
The issue relating to "hearing a beep but no action results" with the touchscreen....

This has always happened to me occasionally, even going back to Oasys and M3 (I don't recall Triton behaving like this, but it was a monochrome display). It happens when you don't press closely enough to the "sweet spot". Hence using a stylus or fingernail can be better for accuracy than a finger.

However, I've always wondered how it's possible for you to be close enough to elicit a beep from the screen, but not close enough to actually trigger the action you want. Surely, you would think, if you are close enough to trigger a beep, then you are close enough to trigger the action.

I assume it's something to do with the display itself. Does anyone have any thoughts on how this could happen in the development/manufacturing process?


Thatís exactly whatís bothering me. But it happened to me with a stylus too. Therefore I would think itís rather related to the processing of the command itself. Anyway, not something I was expecting from top of the line unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeedyLee wrote:


The Kronos will beep anytime you press the touch screen.


I donít think so. Mine beeps only at buttons or similar selectable objects.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine only beeps when I hit a bad note.
So the damn thing never ever stops beeping! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeremykeys wrote:
Mine only beeps when I hit a bad note.
So the damn thing never ever stops beeping! Wink


mine doesn't beep. But it does say "QUANTISE "

frequently Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaLaLand wrote:
SeedyLee wrote:


The Kronos beep anytime you press the touch screen.


I donít think so. Mine beeps only at buttons or similar selectable objects.


the beep might sound slightly before initiating a command or action via LCD, similar to swiping your finger/stylus on the LCD. Some variation based on finger pressure.

Thats what I would expect from a top of the line keyboard.

Anyway, I disabled the beep sound GLOBAL/Basic.

1 of the many great features I enjoy from a top of the line keyboard workstation
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks GregC for clarification.
My daily job is in the industry with lots of automation using touchscreens (SIEMENS, ALLEN BRADLEY, BEIJER...). All screens are resistive touch technology, as per industry standard. So I really have a lot of experience using such device. Since this is my first Korg and my first touchscreen synth, I was questioning if noticed behavior is normal, or related to my unit alone.
I got my question answered thanks to this forum.
Iíll just have to get used to it and enjoy it as much as possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree on the beep only occuring when touching the screen on buttons or selectable objects so, the question is, is something else actually being activated, or is a double press being detected resulting in a selection box being toggled too rapidly to be visible.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaLaLand wrote:
Thanks GregC for clarification.
My daily job is in the industry with lots of automation using touchscreens (SIEMENS, ALLEN BRADLEY, BEIJER...). All screens are resistive touch technology, as per industry standard. So I really have a lot of experience using such device. Since this is my first Korg and my first touchscreen synth, I was questioning if noticed behavior is normal, or related to my unit alone.
I got my question answered thanks to this forum.
Iíll just have to get used to it and enjoy it as much as possible.
Thanks.


I din't know if this was stated, and maybe you are aware by now.

Kronos LCD is not your iPad . Its not resistive.

Its capacitive. ( for example, foil is not useful)

Kronos was developed just at , or before the first iPad.
Capacitive was common on all devices.

Some history for you.

https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/355922/capacitive_vs_resistive_touchscreens/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iím not sure I understood your point, but just to clarify -Iím aware of KronosĎ touchscreen type.

Kronos has resistive touchscreen, meaning you have to depress the surface to make a signal. Same as all industrial touch panels.
Smartphones today have capacitive touchscreen where light touch of a bare finger or other conductive material makes a signal. It was introduced in 2007, way before Kronos. Korg utilized capacitive screen 8 years later, starting with PA4X.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finger touch on touch screen is driving me nuts! Iím sure it could have been done better.
With nail itís a bit more obedient.
With stylus itís perfect. But not so convenient.
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