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WavesArt Kronos Cinematic Suite has been released !
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Note that expression pedal has not been used for Strings sections , volume is steady and overall expression is clearly
depending on your fingers (mine in the case) ... luckily very close to my giant commercial VST Symphonic creations.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As promised , today is the official release ! Very Happy
http://wavesart.eu/KronosEXs
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntonySharmman wrote:
As promised , today is the official release ! Very Happy
http://wavesart.eu/KronosEXs


from your site:

"Program Banks U_AA up to U_GG will be overwritten
until Korg will update OS v.3 and provide more Program Banks (only 5 free Banks at present time)."

If it was up to me. I would remove " until Korg will update OS v.3 and provide more Program Banks ."

You are suggesting Korg will do this as if its a promise or something. I am stating Korg will not do this.

Until its done, its not done. Korg has never promised OS updates forever.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This note concerns bundle of 5 WavesArt Suites not Cinematic Suite !!!
Click on Cinematic Tab to read requirements ... nothing else is required !
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AntonySharmman wrote:
This note concerns bundle of 5 WavesArt Suites not Cinematic Suite !!!
Click on Cinematic Tab to read requirements ... nothing else is required !


that statement or ' ' note' about Korg is on your "splash " or 1st page.

You refer to a " Waves Art Bundle "

But I don't see a clarification what that is.

Thats what I read on the bottom of your sites opening page.

Keep in mind, I am not criticizing. Just making an observation as a customer.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know your good intentions don't worry !
This is clearly mentioned "WavesArt Bundle Suite of 11 GB" and if you better remark what tabs are grouped
at this bundle then it's easy to understand what I mean.
You know that there are 200 Korg store EXs libraries , all are assigned at the same 4-5 by default Kronos free Program
banks and nobody cares of what user would do if he wants some of them loaded simultaneously in the same setup !
This is my main concern when I distribute complex bundles and I have to warm customers in advance for this serious
issue when they want all to work fine in their setup , since I'm against multiple PCG & KSC setups that's why I'm the only
third-party developer that I customize customers PCG Setup !
Anyway I will clarify there that I'm talking about a single global PCG setup.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The statement "Program Banks U_AA up to U_GG will be overwritten " is very concerning for those of us who depend on our Kronos for live gigging, and yet only have an intermediate understanding of the Kronos file management system. I know I have personally been the victim of a grave mistake where I tried to load an old song or old preload_KSC only to have wiped out many months worth of programming.

Please explain if there is a compromise solution that lets us use the Cinematic Suite without overwriting months of hard work on custom programs and combis. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really can't understand , what confuses you so much ...
Cinematic Suite is one pack that you can read requirments at the equivalent TAB "Cinematic Suite"
http://wavesart.eu/KronosEXs/Cinematic%20Suite.html
where is clearly written that only Program Banks U_FF & U_GG are used , but except that I'm in charge of your
PCG management , so this can be changed by me according to free Program Banks of your setup !
I wrote before that I'm the only developer that I entirely support customers personal PCG setup so any
grave errors or programming loss are entirely out of this case !
This you're reading is not for one but for 5 Suites (Suite Bundle) that needs special treatment and I have
already done it for many customers !
But even in the case you have no free Program Banks the solution is very easy ... I provide a standalone PCG
& Preload.KSC that will load 5 Suites Bundle as a different setup and when required you load back your previous
setup also using your older PCG & Preload.KSCs files !

There is a rule in Kronos file management that must always be followed ... before any major change you will always
save a full PCG file in case of failure and nothing will be lost , also KSC files or any existing custom samples will not ever
lost if you do not delete them manually , KSC files will be always included in samples folder for any loading/Pre-loading future use !
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

psionic311 wrote:
The statement "Program Banks U_AA up to U_GG will be overwritten " is very concerning for those of us who depend on our Kronos for live gigging, and yet only have an intermediate understanding of the Kronos file management system. I know I have personally been the victim of a grave mistake where I tried to load an old song or old preload_KSC only to have wiped out many months worth of programming.

Please explain if there is a compromise solution that lets us use the Cinematic Suite without overwriting months of hard work on custom programs and combis. Thank you.


there should be a post or 2 about creating and loading custom PCG's.

It may have been addressed by a 3rd party sample lib developer, burning bush.

That approach does work. It has to be followed precisely which makes sense.

Stating the obvious, the K is +7 years old. It has limits. I work around it, adapt every day.

If I gigged, and it was regular, important livelihood, I would strongly consider having 2 K's on stage. I understand thats not always practical if the band is pushed into a dinky stage or small corner of a bar.

The 3rd party samples are simply so good, that also supports, in theory, having 2K's. One K has your factory pop favorites. The other K has your custom samples. I know this is a big commitment for +7 yr old W/s. I believe us serious musicians should think big picture.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't need to own 2 Kronos for different setups , only for polyphony reasons , like the Cinematic pack
I will prepare for 2 K with 250 polyphony !
We can create an article for preparing multiple setup in the same Kronos according to performance needs !
Swapping between 2 full Ram loaded Setup requires only 2 minutes in real time , first loading PCG and then
"Load Now" from preload interface , selecting the proper existing KSC ! Wink
The only real problem is with third party EXs , that their resources will overlap each other !
This is what I'm trying to avoid ...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just purchased and installed WavesArt's Cinematic Suite on my new Kronos Platinum. OMG! Antony's library produces the most amazing sounds I’ve ever heard coming from a hardware synth—period. In my opinion, this library represents a tectonic-shift in the hardware-synth landscape. If you love authentic-sounding strings and other orchestral sounds, this sound set, I believe, sets a new bar.

What struck me most about WavesArt's suite is how well multiple-notes played using the same instrument sounds. The individual bass, cello, viola, and violin sound excellent when single-notes are played, but when multiple notes of the same instrument are played, they still sound correct.

Ever since I bought my first sampler, the 12-bit, 30kHz, floppy disc-loading Roland S-10 way back in 1986, I've been dreaming of strings which sounded real. Most synth's strings presets sound pretty artificial and will never be mistaken for the real thing; they tend to have too much mid-tone, sound muddy, and "organ-ish" when multiple notes are played together, and higher registers are often far too shrill-sounding. Finally, truly realistic-sounding strings and other orchestral instruments have arrived on a hardware synth—and that synth is the one and only Korg Kronos. Kudos to Antony's expert programming and artistry for producing such an authentic-sounding library. This is the sole reason I bought a Kronos—its ability to produce the best-sounding strings of any other synth on the market.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cinematic Suite's strings really cut through the mix! I just laid down an eight-bar synth track—just two major chords. I used my Roland G's #011 patch: "Many, Many Saws," a very Roland-ey synth pad. On top of that, I laid down a CS solo Stradivarius cello. Then in the next measure: CS' 12 violas 10 cellos patch. While the Stradivarius cello really cuts through the mix (the Stradivarius samples have a lot of treble and upper mid-range—this is good thing), the viola-cello ensemble samples stood out nearly as well.

It's a real pleasure to mix the CS strings into a synth and rhythm bed, since you can actually hear the instruments. This has long been a challenge when recording quick tracks on my Fantom G's audio recorder. Without doing a lot of custom-EQing, I have a mix where the hero instruments can be heard, effortlessly. Front-row, first-chair viola really sounds, "there." I believe this is a key reason why authentic-sounding samples and expert programming are so critical in such applications. This same mix using a manufacturer's preset strings can turn into a muddy, incoherent mess pretty quickly.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ralph , I see that you really enjoy Strings Ensembles & solo , but do not leave in margin these unique Brass Ensembles , since
you can find affordable strings even in Korg Store , maybe not close to this premioum level , but you definately can't find at all
even the "smell" of authentic Symphonic Horns Ensembles or similar vocals for Cinematic/Film Scoring creation that you own ...
just for the records.
I also want to personally thank you for your warm presentation for other members and your support ! Very Happy
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You're welcome! I've been so overwhelmed by the quality of the strings that I completely forgot to mention the brass—the horns are fantastic! I probably won't be using any of Kronos' native orchestral instruments from now on. I also have to mention the excellent and easy-to-use articulations in the string and brass instruments. Very natural-sounding and easy to play. While I'm at it, the snare and timpani rolls and flams are excellent as well!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a brand-new Kronos owner, I didn't know how to add the CS suite as an additional auto-loaded KSC file, so I e-mailed Antony and he got back to me right away with the answer. Kudos to Antony's responsive, personalized support! Everything auto-loads in the correct banks at power-up, and all the factory sounds remain intact. I've since been directly comparing Kronos' factory strings with CS' strings—wow, what a difference!
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