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mrvegas
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 Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:08 pm Post subject: Backing tracks |
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| I'm looking for some high quality backing tracks just for jamming along with. A few years ago I found a website that had what really sounded like the originals and you could mute various parts. I have searched Google for hours and cannot find the site. All the stuff I found is cheap knock-offs and sounds terrible. |
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GregC
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: Backing tracks |
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| mrvegas wrote: | | I'm looking for some high quality backing tracks just for jamming along with. A few years ago I found a website that had what really sounded like the originals and you could mute various parts. I have searched Google for hours and cannot find the site. All the stuff I found is cheap knock-offs and sounds terrible. |
high quality, and free, I suppose. thats a tough one. You were too general on the style you are looking for. Polka ? Sinatra ?
I sort of like the ogg or mogg stems.
http://multitrackdownloads.blogspot.com/2012/03/list-of-all-mogg-files.html
You have to dig around but there are some decent stems. I think the concept originated from the Rock Band video game crowd.
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mrvegas
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| Actually, I would be happy to pay for high quality. Can't seem to find it. |
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GregC
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| mrvegas wrote: | | Actually, I would be happy to pay for high quality. Can't seem to find it. |
There are a few Kronos keyboard musicians that create multi track songs.
( Lets Hear Your Latest Stuff..)
I think they are quality. But thats IMO.
You could navigate the SEQ and learn it properly.
And WAV files can be played on almost anything.
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burningbusch
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Soulbacks and Jazzbacks have some high-quality backing tracks. You can buy them minus keyboard track, but you can't mute. Worth checking out. Played by musicians, not MIDI.
https://jazzbacks.com/collections/soulbacks-backing-tracks-with-soul
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GregC
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important details for anyone unaware:
A license to use backing tracks as an accompaniment to live performance is granted only to the nominated licensee. Use by third parties, lending, hiring or re-selling is strictly forbidden and a license will be deemed invalid in the event of breach of any/all of the terms and conditions stated herein, rendering any further use by licensee of the backing tracks illegal. No other rights are granted by the license.
The nominated licensee may use Jazzbacks backing tracks for the purpose of creating ‘demo’ recordings, however, any commercial release, sale or trade of any recording utilizing any portion of a Jazzbacks backing track requires the expressed written consent of Jazzbacks.com. Failure to do so instantly terminates this licensing agreement and will result in legal action.
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burningbusch
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| GregC wrote: |
important details for anyone unaware:
A license to use backing tracks as an accompaniment to live performance is granted only to the nominated licensee. Use by third parties, lending, hiring or re-selling is strictly forbidden and a license will be deemed invalid in the event of breach of any/all of the terms and conditions stated herein, rendering any further use by licensee of the backing tracks illegal. No other rights are granted by the license.
The nominated licensee may use Jazzbacks backing tracks for the purpose of creating ‘demo’ recordings, however, any commercial release, sale or trade of any recording utilizing any portion of a Jazzbacks backing track requires the expressed written consent of Jazzbacks.com. Failure to do so instantly terminates this licensing agreement and will result in legal action. |
This shouldn't be much of a surprise. If you're going to sell a Stevie Wonder song, for example, using a sound recording done by the musicians of Jazzbacks/Soulbacks, there's very little of your own you contributed to this and you're going to have to pay significantly for the right to use other peoples' work.
On the other hand, if you want some quality backing tracks to play live or for a demo, these beat MIDI tracks by a long ways, IMO.
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mgibian
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:54 pm Post subject: Music minus one and Fake books |
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Back in the day there was a series "Music minus one" that I used, though that was primarily for practicing improvisation on my Trombone (haven't touched it in forever).
Lately, I've been using Karma + the Drum program on my Kronos with various stock combi-s.
I would love a means to build my repertoire as right now it is quite limited, and probably my greatest weakness. I've got a few fake books for "Standards", and am fine working up solo arrangements based solely on charts in a fake book, but haven't found anything for what people are currently playing at gigs. |
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GregC
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| burningbusch wrote: | | GregC wrote: |
important details for anyone unaware:
A license to use backing tracks as an accompaniment to live performance is granted only to the nominated licensee. Use by third parties, lending, hiring or re-selling is strictly forbidden and a license will be deemed invalid in the event of breach of any/all of the terms and conditions stated herein, rendering any further use by licensee of the backing tracks illegal. No other rights are granted by the license.
The nominated licensee may use Jazzbacks backing tracks for the purpose of creating ‘demo’ recordings, however, any commercial release, sale or trade of any recording utilizing any portion of a Jazzbacks backing track requires the expressed written consent of Jazzbacks.com. Failure to do so instantly terminates this licensing agreement and will result in legal action. |
This shouldn't be much of a surprise. If you're going to sell a Stevie Wonder song, for example, using a sound recording done by the musicians of Jazzbacks/Soulbacks, there's very little of your own you contributed to this and you're going to have to pay significantly for the right to use other peoples' work.
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Not so sure one has to pay significantly for a Stevie Wonder song.
a 1 year use license for most songs is $9-16. Add another $16 for a processing fee.
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I still understand a mechanical license to cost $.091 per instance for a song five minutes or less, download or physical media. Also, understand that making a demo and providing it for free as a download does not get around this. Stevie would be entitled to his $91 for every 1,000 downloads, regardless of whether you sold it or gave it away. The Jazz/Soulbacks would require an additional licensing for commercial distribution, and they can set the price.
As most people use backing tracks for live use, the songwriter would be paid via ASCAP/BMI licensing arrangement with the venue and Jazz/Soulbacks grants the right to be used in that fashion, so all seems good.
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This License issue has always been very misleading and confusing and varies from country to country..
On the one hand, the backing track vendor may impose "usage" limitations.
But when performing a cover song (whether backing track or not) then royalites are to be paid in all cases.
Here in Australia, this is mostly the responsibility of the venue owner/management or, if you organise your own gig, then you need a buy a license to perform.
There are so many variations and concerns - it almost gets too hard to figure
EXAMPLE:- performing ANY Walt Disney owned song requires permission/license from Walt Disney - but most other songs can be legally handled by purchasing a performance license (APRA in Australia) - there are others like this (I think MJ songs too)
Example of licensing down here:-
http://apraamcos.com.au/music-customers/licence-types/
It is a nightmare!!!
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| burningbusch wrote: | I still understand a mechanical license to cost $.091 per instance for a song five minutes or less, download or physical media. Also, understand that making a demo and providing it for free as a download does not get around this. Stevie would be entitled to his $91 for every 1,000 downloads, regardless of whether you sold it or gave it away. The Jazz/Soulbacks would require an additional licensing for commercial distribution, and they can set the price.
As most people use backing tracks for live use, the songwriter would be paid via ASCAP/BMI licensing arrangement with the venue and Jazz/Soulbacks grants the right to be used in that fashion, so all seems good.
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thats right. More to it, I think.
As the band hunts for gigs, they are going to be asked to record a demo.
The venue owner wants to hear their material on a web site.
So they record the Stevie song and others as part of their set. Uploaded it on line. Innocently and entirely normal
Thats the slippery slope as I understand. Recording.
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| I use the karaoke link listed above. You can mute out the sounds you wish to play. Gets the job done if you just like to play along. |
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GregC
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| karmathanever wrote: | This License issue has always been very misleading and confusing and varies from country to country..
On the one hand, the backing track vendor may impose "usage" limitations.
But when performing a cover song (whether backing track or not) then royalites are to be paid in all cases.
Here in Australia, this is mostly the responsibility of the venue owner/management or, if you organise your own gig, then you need a buy a license to perform.
There are so many variations and concerns - it almost gets too hard to figure
EXAMPLE:- performing ANY Walt Disney owned song requires permission/license from Walt Disney - but most other songs can be legally handled by purchasing a performance license (APRA in Australia) - there are others like this (I think MJ songs too)
Example of licensing down here:-
http://apraamcos.com.au/music-customers/licence-types/
It is a nightmare!!!
Pete |
its difficult enough to understand it here in the US !
To add to difficulty there are some interpretations and opinions of what is ' actionable'.
It has to be understood in the exact context.
I think Canada and the US are under the same copyright umbrella.
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