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[WVought]

I'm using my DAW (Sonar) to send a MIDI loop out to Kronos. However, Kronos (with KARMA on) has started playing at double speed. By this I mean Kronos plays twice as many notes as it should. It still keeps time with Sonar, but sounds frenetic.

If KARMA is off there is no problem.

On the Global p1 MIDI page there are 5 options for MIDI Clock. If set to Internal all is well. But if I select any of the other 4 options and KARMA is on then this issue will appear.

I have Sonar set to send MIDI Clock to the Kronos.

While typing this I decided to load the same MIDI into Cubase and see if the problem persisted...it does not. I can send the same MIDI to Kronos and, with KARMA on, the loop will sound properly.

So it looks like a Sonar issue, but I'm posting this here in hopes that someone may have an idea as to the cause.

[19naia]

Is Sonar set to use its own midi clock?

Also, what channel is it sending on?
Is it sending on Omni channel?
Is it sending on a channel that Karma is using?

If a Karma module or more is/are set to a midi channel that the midi loop is sending on, then karma will take it in as note information and also process it through any GE that is active.
In fact, if a loop or rythm pattern were sent over midi channel used by Karma and then the Karma GE further processing or driving its own midi pattern into the incoming midi pattern, it would be working perfectly if it played at the very least, twice as many notes.
Karma is likely arpeggiating each note in the rythm pattern loop or whatever kind of loop it is.

Remember Karma is an Arpeggiator at its very basic level, and that means it takes one note input and outputs any of a huge number of multiple note combinations. A loop is sending a patterned series of midi notes, not just one. Karma will do its best to double each note if the rhythm spacing permits.

Karma is doing what it is supposed to do and thats why you hear twice as many notes. Other GE’s or GE parameter configurations could possibly make it more than twice as many notes or less than twice as many.

The likely reason why it does not happen on Cubase is that Cubase midi channel has some different setting.
Maybe Sonar is transmitting midi on all channels and cubase is only on kronos global channel. ?

Check the midi channel settings on Cubase and Sonar for comaprison. If they are exactly the same, then maybe that is a strange case you have, or a midi bypass somewhere.

As far as double notes when Karma is on, that is exactly what should happen when you send midi notes into Karma while a note-multiplying-configuration GE is active.
Why it is not happening in Cubase is where you should be looking.

[WVought]

Sonar is using its own MIDI Clock.

It is sending MIDI via Channel 1, which is the Global Channel.

I've been using the Kronos for years now, and while I by no means consider myself a power user, I do understand that Kronos is an arpeggiator and that sending it even one note may result in many additional notes being output via KARMA.

What I have is a situation where MIDI data sent from Cubase causes KARMA to play correctly, but the same MIDI data sent from Sonar (at the same tempo) causes KARMA to play at double speed.

Obviously there is a sense in which KARMA is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Sonar is somehow telling KARMA to generate twice as many notes. However, this sounds horrible, and I'd like to find some way to stop Sonar from doing this.

Thank you anyway.

[SeedyLee]

This can also happen if you have a MIDI loop somewhere in your MIDI configuration, which can cause the MIDI Beat Clock sent be SONAR to be duplicated. How is your Kronos connected to your PC?
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[WVought]

The Kronos is connected to my computer via USB. I'm using the driver supplied by Korg.

It's also connected via an out from my audio interface, using a MIDI cable. At the moment I'm not sure why I hooked that up. Anyway, I unplugged that cable and the problem remains.

I'm also using LoopBe30 for additional virtual MIDI ports. It is supposed to be able to detect and disable MIDI loops. It has a checkbox called "Enable Shortcut Detection," and I have that box checked.

But I think your suggestion makes sense, and has perhaps set me on the right track. Thanks.

[19naia]

[WVought]

OK, I went into the Sonar preferences and unchecked the boxes which cause MIDI Clock to be sent to Kronos and to my audio interface. So nothing should be getting MIDI Clock. Then I pressed play in Sonar, and KARMA played, and it played correctly.

I'm not sure what to make of this.

[WVought]

"Maybe there is a loop back of Karma sending its GE notes out and that somehow goes to sonar and comes back into Kronos. "

Yes, probably some sort of loop, but this is a head scratcher.

[19naia]

[WVought]

I wouldn't exactly say I got it cleared up. It's still a mystery. Disabling MIDI Clock to Kronos is a workaround, and I don't understand what's causing the issue.