Korg Forums Forum Index Korg Forums
A forum for Korg product users and musicians around the world.
Moderated Independently.
Owned by Irish Acts Recording Studio & hosted by KORG USA
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Is Kronos on it's way out?
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Latest News
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Kevin Nolan
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant


Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Posts: 2402
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Is Kronos on it's way out? Reply with quote

Realise this could be seen as a slightly alarmist / troll type post but I mean the question in earnest - if you visit the Korg website, nowhere on the entire front / showcase page does Kronos feature.

I realise it's still a listed product - but it doesn't seem to be a priority to their marketing / design department; and wonder if that means declining sales and possibly heading toward end of life? Thoughts?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
voip
Platinum Member


Joined: 27 Nov 2014
Posts: 1643

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In Korg news from May 18th there's this announcement: "New KRONOS Sound Libraries: one new library and four new bundle packages from Kelfar, two updated libraries from Purgatory Creek, and new pricing for Irish Acts libraries."

Looks like Korg aren't totally giving up on the Kronos just yet, but the lack of presence on the Products page may be significant.

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Timo
Platinum Member


Joined: 24 Jan 2002
Posts: 3072
Location: Kaoss central, England

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kronos LS is on there.

But, what I don't get... why so many tuners!?!! There are no less than 6 individual tuner picture-links on there, each taking up large screen real estate. It's been a running joke annually over the last 10 or more years, but I don't understand. Once you've designed one or two or several tuners for different applications, then surely they've reached the peak of development. How many more new tuners can possibly be made?!
_________________
Korg Moss Soundset [Free Moss Set For All Workstations With Moss Expansion]
www.Infekted.org - Access Virus Community [Infekted.org - Original Access Virus Forum & Community]
Trinity V3 PBS | Radias KB | Virus TI Snow | Virus Indigo 1 | 505 Groovebox
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
GregC
Platinum Member


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 7041
Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Is Kronos on it's way out? Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
Realise this could be seen as a slightly alarmist / troll type post but I mean the question in earnest - if you visit the Korg website, nowhere on the entire front / showcase page does Kronos feature.

I realise it's still a listed product - but it doesn't seem to be a priority to their marketing / design department; and wonder if that means declining sales and possibly heading toward end of life? Thoughts?


Based on your post i might be a leading troll. I don't see any sense of alarm.

I have been saying for 6 months that Kronos 2 is at EOL or Korg is treating it as going there.

Facts are facts. No OS updates. +7 yrs old. No presence at NAMM.

Third party Libs are not Korg produced products. They are 3rd party productions.

Jack Hotop promised new sounds, due any day now. But thats the 1st sign of Kronos development for 15 months. Keep in mind, free sounds is an industry standard. Nord, Roland does the same routinely. For free.

I consider Korg offering Kronos 2 these days as primarily transactional.
Seems obvious to me Korg has other priorities.

7 years is an outstanding run for a W/s with a reliance tech, if you take a step back and look at the big picture. I gauge that the K2 is still selling based on posts and Fakebook. Dealers here in the US have stock. MSRP is holding firm.

A drop in MSRP would be a tangible signal to be evaluated.
_________________
Kronos 88. nanoPAD2. Roland FA-07, MBP, UR44
Achieve your musical dreams Smile
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994


Last edited by GregC on Tue May 22, 2018 1:49 pm; edited 2 times in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
GregC
Platinum Member


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 7041
Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timo wrote:
Kronos LS is on there.

But!


its a derivative, plain and simple.

Since its a new member to the product family, its expected that Korg will splash it. Same with GrandStage.

They want to market the newer products.
_________________
Kronos 88. nanoPAD2. Roland FA-07, MBP, UR44
Achieve your musical dreams Smile
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Broadwave
Platinum Member


Joined: 25 May 2011
Posts: 1040
Location: Manchester UK

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't worry me at all, even if the Kronos IS due to be shelved. Mine still works and does what I need it to do, as well as it did on the first day I bought it (excluding updates of course).

TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes
_________________
Kronos 2 88, Roland System-8, Novation Ultranova, ARP Odyssey, Broadwave ARP 2600EX, Broadwave Sparta, Broadwave/Behringer Minimoog Clone, Broadwave Modular, Fender Deluxe Plus Top (iOS), Broadwave 12 String Telecaster

Synth DIY Projects
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
demonp
Senior Member


Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 406
Location: Hungary

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broadwave wrote:
It doesn't worry me at all, even if the Kronos IS due to be shelved. Mine still works and does what I need it to do, as well as it did on the first day I bought it (excluding updates of course).

TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


Yeah, Roland is really a downshifter now. No Fantom successor, the boutique series is kinda shitty, the FA is all cheapo, Aira is something useless. No wow factor.
Now Korg and Yamaha are making great stuff.
_________________
Gear: roland Juno-G, korg x5dr, Monologue, e-mu 0404
www.reason.hu
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
GregC
Platinum Member


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 7041
Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)

PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demonp wrote:
Broadwave wrote:
It doesn't worry me at all, even if the Kronos IS due to be shelved. Mine still works and does what I need it to do, as well as it did on the first day I bought it (excluding updates of course).

TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


Yeah, Roland is really a downshifter now. No Fantom successor, the boutique series is kinda shitty, the FA is all cheapo, Aira is something useless. No wow factor.
Now Korg and Yamaha are making great stuff.


Granted, the FA does not have all the 'classic ' all in 1 W/s features.

I think , for the price, its a good w/s

I suspect, some, perhaps you, play the FA06, with its low budget keybed, do a quick dismissal on the FA.
_________________
Kronos 88. nanoPAD2. Roland FA-07, MBP, UR44
Achieve your musical dreams Smile
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Bachus
Platinum Member


Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Posts: 2506

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

demonp wrote:
Broadwave wrote:
It doesn't worry me at all, even if the Kronos IS due to be shelved. Mine still works and does what I need it to do, as well as it did on the first day I bought it (excluding updates of course).

TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


Yeah, Roland is really a downshifter now. No Fantom successor, the boutique series is kinda shitty, the FA is all cheapo, Aira is something useless. No wow factor.
Now Korg and Yamaha are making great stuff.


The idea behind the system-8 is top knotch..
But who decided to not have aftertouch?

Same goes for the prologue, noo aftertouch.

And yamaha, they don’t even have a comtemder in that cattegory
_________________
Korg Kronos 2/88 , Korg PA4x, Mainstage3 +VSTsu, Kurzweil PC3X
www.keyszone.boards.net
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
megamarkd
Senior Member


Joined: 15 Aug 2017
Posts: 342
Location: Australia

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregC wrote:
demonp wrote:
Broadwave wrote:
It doesn't worry me at all, even if the Kronos IS due to be shelved. Mine still works and does what I need it to do, as well as it did on the first day I bought it (excluding updates of course).

TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


Yeah, Roland is really a downshifter now. No Fantom successor, the boutique series is kinda shitty, the FA is all cheapo, Aira is something useless. No wow factor.
Now Korg and Yamaha are making great stuff.


Granted, the FA does not have all the 'classic ' all in 1 W/s features.

I think , for the price, its a good w/s

I suspect, some, perhaps you, play the FA06, with its low budget keybed, do a quick dismissal on the FA.


For my next Roland purchase, I'm actually considering getting a CCV printer to try and make money out of hipster bands who want cheap stickers and flyers (boutique/bespoke/craft stickers/flyers, you know you want them!)
_________________
Stuff I'm using: Umm right now, this: Ever-growing Dumbmachine: Bastl Instruments, Circuit Abbey, Elby Designs, Expert Sleepers, Blue Lantern, Tiptop Audio, Make Noise, Busy Circuits, Mutable Instruments, Buchla/Topbrillo, 2hp, Metro Modular, Doepfer, Intellijel, Frostwave, Synthrotek, Korg, Arturia, Teenage Engineering, Patchblocks, Waldorf, Cat Full Of Ghosts, Music Thing Modular
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Kevin Nolan
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant


Joined: 04 Dec 2005
Posts: 2402
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broadwave wrote:


TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


This doesn't surprise me one bit. Roland's commitment to computer and software based products is abysmal; and that's not an overstatement.

They are dire in terms of :

1) Driver quality (for example USB connectivity of Boutique devices; and the ability to only save on set of programs on a USB stick for any of their hardware synths)

2) Driver support - nonexistent as soon as the end of life a product


Anyone owning a System 1 or 8 should be thinking, now, about not upgrading their current computer if it supports System 8 - to reserve that computer into the future specifically for System 8; and instead buy a new computer for your other work. Otherwise, within a few years, you'll be no longer able to load plugouts onto your System.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
GregC
Platinum Member


Joined: 15 May 2002
Posts: 7041
Location: Discovery Bay (San Francisco Bay Area)

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
Broadwave wrote:


TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


This doesn't surprise me one bit. Roland's commitment to computer and software based products is abysmal; and that's not an overstatement.

They are dire in terms of :

1) Driver quality (for example USB connectivity of Boutique devices; and the ability to only save on set of programs on a USB stick for any of their hardware synths)

2) Driver support - nonexistent as soon as the end of life a product


Anyone owning a System 1 or 8 should be thinking, now, about not upgrading their current computer if it supports System 8 - to reserve that computer into the future specifically for System 8; and instead buy a new computer for your other work. Otherwise, within a few years, you'll be no longer able to load plugouts onto your System.


thats funny. I thought your topic was about Kronos ?

Looks like it went 'skippy' Smile
_________________
Kronos 88. nanoPAD2. Roland FA-07, MBP, UR44
Achieve your musical dreams Smile
https://soundcloud.com/user-898236994
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
Derek Cook
Approved Merchant
Approved Merchant


Joined: 20 Jul 2014
Posts: 1037
Location: Wales, UK

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin Nolan wrote:
Broadwave wrote:


TBH, I'm more concerned about the lack of interest from Roland regarding the System 8 Rolling Eyes


This doesn't surprise me one bit. Roland's commitment to computer and software based products is abysmal; and that's not an overstatement.

They are dire in terms of :

1) Driver quality (for example USB connectivity of Boutique devices; and the ability to only save on set of programs on a USB stick for any of their hardware synths)

2) Driver support - nonexistent as soon as the end of life a product


Anyone owning a System 1 or 8 should be thinking, now, about not upgrading their current computer if it supports System 8 - to reserve that computer into the future specifically for System 8; and instead buy a new computer for your other work. Otherwise, within a few years, you'll be no longer able to load plugouts onto your System.


And to that, add sloppy display programming, which has caused all sorts of problems with Cantabile that the developer has had to introduce hacks to work around. Shame, as they sound excellent.
_________________
Derek Cook - Java Developer



Follow kronos.factory development over at the kronos.factory Trello Board

My Echoes Music Website
My Carreg Ddu Music Website
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ebuzer52
Full Member


Joined: 01 Oct 2017
Posts: 155

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As every thing and every synths, kronos is also temporary
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
BobTheDog
Platinum Member


Joined: 21 May 2007
Posts: 1477

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Kronos is now based on old hardware and even older software.

Workstations are possibly not really even needed anymore, other technology has taken over and the demographic of people buying "keyboards/workstations" has changed.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Kronos/Oasis are amazing bits of kit but things and times change.

I would love to see Korg take the old software and design some new hardware around it, this I guess would be a costly job and I wonder what the payback would be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Latest News All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 1 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group