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Editing Factory Sounds Ie Grand Piano

 
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NativeAngels
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 9:45 am    Post subject: Editing Factory Sounds Ie Grand Piano Reply with quote

What are the different ways you can transform the factory sounds to give them a different feel or sound. How do you go about changing how a factory sound ?

Anyone like to write a tutorial on how you can transform a sound ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....just experiment !!!!....
Select the sound in SOUND mode and start by tweaking the parameters on that main screen.
If you like your changes, write the SOUND into a USER bank.

If you want to get deeper then you need to learn about synth sound editing which is not included in any keyboard reference manual I have ever seen. Understanding samples, multisamples and oscillator configuring will help - this is a huge learning curve BUT you can make some great changes just on that main screen and by changing effects settings.

Yes, all the deep and meaningful parameters are defined in the manuals but what you will need is tutorials - there are some reasonable generic youtube lessons.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not exactly a tutorial but here are a few tricks I've used to modify piano sounds on my Pa3x.
First identify which oscillators are controlling the main part of the piano sound (usually the first 8 or 12) Menu, Basic, Osc Basic will give you the name of the sample.
If you want to listen to the Oscillator you need to Solo it with the drop down menu. Remember it might have a restrictive velocity range (say 80-95) so to hear it you either have to hit the correct velocity or open up the velocity range under the Vel/Key Zone Tab. (Change it back later).
Here are some modifications you can try.

Under Osc Basic, Transpose each Osc up +3, and retune -300. The piano will still be tuned correctly but when you hit a C you are actually playing an A retuned up to C. This gives a nice Dark Sound.
Do this for all the main oscillators.

To brighten a sound try increasing the Filter A frequency. For a more expressive piano push the frequencies higher for the oscs that use higher velocity keys. If you find you loose too much of the bass tones on higher velocities then go to Osc EQ and boost the bass accordingly. Oscillator EQ is another way to modify sounds.

To give a piano a little character you might slightly detune (say Left Tune-2, Right Tune+2) it or transpose the Right and Left channels differently (eg Left -2 Transpose, +200 retune, Right +2 Transpose, -200 Retune.

Another thing I like to do on some sounds is to Assign Filter A Modulation to Velocity but for this to work you need to get the settings right. What this does is give some Cut-Off filtering according to how hard you play so in effect you get 127 levels of expression rather than just fixed jumps.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
Under Osc Basic, Transpose each Osc up +3, and retune -300. The piano will still be tuned correctly
but when you hit a C you are actually playing an A retuned up to C. This gives a nice Dark Sound.

John , you can use this technique only for a synth sound or within poor sampled instruments (f.e. per 4-5 tones sampled)
where already Osc up +1/-1, and re-tune -100/+100 is the acceptable limit , and not at per semitone sampled strings
instument like piano,guitar,violin , since this will make the real sound totally fake changing main string and instrument
body frequencies and tonal timbres to a non real piano where every key has it's own natural artifacts ...

It's better to experiment on actual OSC tuning with Filter EGs and velocity resonance instead or even modeler FX
in order to alter somehow natural note color character.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. It works if you dont push it too far. Always best to start with samples close to the sound you are looking for.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks
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