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leetheedge
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:49 pm    Post subject: wierd organ situation Reply with quote

hi guys when im in programme mode for Memphis organ along with some other organ sounds the joystick works perfect for fast/slow rotary.

however these few organ sounds when in combi mode along side other organs the rotary stays on fast.im using effect 194 rotary(I think )

it only seems to be a few organ sounds that stay on fast in combi mode the rest work perfectly..any input on this matter will be great.cheers
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: wierd organ situation Reply with quote

leetheedge wrote:
hi guys when im in programme mode for Memphis organ along with some other organ sounds the joystick works perfect for fast/slow rotary.

however these few organ sounds when in combi mode along side other organs the rotary stays on fast.im using effect 194 rotary(I think )

it only seems to be a few organ sounds that stay on fast in combi mode the rest work perfectly..any input on this matter will be great.cheers


I am no good at organs, but i can begin with a trouble shoot step in the right direction, even if it does not solve it.

Joy stick is often associated with SW 1 & 2 switch. And SW 1 & 2 switch are often assigned to hold joystick input, meaning if you move joystick, it will stay at that input setting even after the joystick springs back. You have to actually move the joystick again to get another input to replace what is being held.

If SW is involved in holding Joystck input, then switching SW on or off will let go of the hold.
It gets compliated though in Combi, because each program could have something unique tied to SW and when you change SW setting to fix joystick, it could start another problem in a program or more that are using SW as perhaps AMS.
Joystick and SW are more of global styled controls, they take settings in Combi mode independent of what they are set for in each program, so conflict can come about when you bring several programs to a combi where each program is trying to have Joystick and SW do something different per each program.
Something eventually compromises one way or the other, but you can go in and figure out a compromise of your own if you can sort through where the control assignment conflicts are going on.

You can have the toilet flush-handle turn on the oven timer, but not when the kitchen sink faucet handle has been programed to turn the toilet flush handle off whenever the kitchen sink faucet is off, and vice-versa.
You have to turn the kitchen sink faucet on just to get the oven timer to come on, but then it would with an unwanted flush of the toilet.
All in a day of living in the house that Kronos built. But you could always reassign functions and controls if you can figure out a less cofusing integration of functions and controls around the house. It can turn into a haunted house of all kinds of things happening out of the ordinary, if you don’t keep track of what is going on with controls and assignment all the way down to AMS & D-mod assignments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the organ program a sample of an organ with the fast speed sampled in that way. Ain't no shutting that off.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ronnfigg wrote:
Is the organ program a sample of an organ with the fast speed sampled in that way. Ain't no shutting that off.


thanks very much for the replies guys much appreciated. if that organ sound is a sample how come it works in programme mode?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:02 pm    Post subject: UPDATE Reply with quote

when I turn the rotary speaker effect off in combi/insert effects the joystick starts working the rotary fast/slow.even thou theres no rotary effect on at all.this only happens on a certain few organs.
the organ im on is A044 Memphis soul.
cheers for any advice.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think youre right about the certain organs ( the sampled ones)

the rotary still works whether the rotary ifx is on or off.
the joystick still slows down and speeds up but it only shows fast on the top of the screen on these certain organs if the ifx is set to rotary.


so in a nutshell. the sampled organs only show fast at the top of the screen if the internal fx is set to a rotary effect.although the joystick will slow down and speed up the organ.hope this makes sense.

example is combi mode bank I-b 083 organic funk..it stays on fast on the top of the screen although the joystick still slows down the rotary




cheers for your help Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rotary effect in the CX3 engine is dedicated to the CX3 Programs. The rotary effect in the IFX is separate and unique from the CX3 rotary.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

leetheedge wrote:
so in a nutshell. the sampled organs only show fast at the top of the screen if the internal fx is set to a rotary effect.although the joystick will slow down and speed up the organ.

This behavior is linked to the combi, not to the CX3 organ programs.

It doesn't happen, for example, in the combi called Gospel Time. So even though it uses the Memphis organ, you can see slow/fast changing in the screen when you play the combi, as supposed to.

Why is it frozen to fast in the Organic Funk combi, even though the rotary speaker behaves OK and changes with the joystick ?

Because there are two identical CX3 programs in this combi (instruments 1 and 10) and the Kronos stays stuck to the initial programming of the combi as it is confusing. To fix the problem, select another sound on instrument 10 (not Classic Organ SW1 V2), then on instrument 1 pretend you will change it as well : select another in the list, then reselect Classic Organ SW1 V2 for instrument 1. Now change the rotary speed and it now works OK on the screen. Cool

Of course, you will have to rewrite all the parameters of the reinitialized organ on instrument 1, including drawbar amplitudes, etc. For this, simply select Control Surface tab on the screen (showing Tone Adjust), then press Compare on the Kronos. Rewrite all the same drawbar settings and buttons and knob levels the same on your edited Combi, by swapping between it and the original using the Compare button.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: wierd organ situation Reply with quote

leetheedge wrote:
hi guys when im in programme mode for Memphis organ along with some other organ sounds the joystick works perfect for fast/slow rotary.

however these few organ sounds when in combi mode along side other organs the rotary stays on fast.im using effect 194 rotary(I think )

it only seems to be a few organ sounds that stay on fast in combi mode the rest work perfectly..any input on this matter will be great.cheers


Using different patches for organ in combi mode has never sounded like a real Hammond organ but I know each has preferences. Sometimes less is more!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks very much for your help everyone..its beginning to make a bit sense to me. Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KK wrote:
leetheedge wrote:
so in a nutshell. the sampled organs only show fast at the top of the screen if the internal fx is set to a rotary effect.although the joystick will slow down and speed up the organ.

This behavior is linked to the combi, not to the CX3 organ programs.

It doesn't happen, for example, in the combi called Gospel Time. So even though it uses the Memphis organ, you can see slow/fast changing in the screen when you play the combi, as supposed to.

Why is it frozen to fast in the Organic Funk combi, even though the rotary speaker behaves OK and changes with the joystick ?

Because there are two identical CX3 programs in this combi (instruments 1 and 10) and the Kronos stays stuck to the initial programming of the combi as it is confusing. To fix the problem, select another sound on instrument 10 (not Classic Organ SW1 V2), then on instrument 1 pretend you will change it as well : select another in the list, then reselect Classic Organ SW1 V2 for instrument 1. Now change the rotary speed and it now works OK on the screen. Cool

Of course, you will have to rewrite all the parameters of the reinitialized organ on instrument 1, including drawbar amplitudes, etc. For this, simply select Control Surface tab on the screen (showing Tone Adjust), then press Compare on the Kronos. Rewrite all the same drawbar settings and buttons and knob levels the same on your edited Combi, by swapping between it and the original using the Compare button.


but if you put a rotary ifx on GOSPEL TIME it will be frozen to fast as if the sampled rotary is clashing with the ifx rotary
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