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I’ve had owned the 61, 88 and now own the LS and have found the same issue with all of them.

It is extremely difficult to get the maximum velocity on any velocity curve. I’ve tried them all. Every other keyboard that I have owned can reach the maximum velocity with far less effort.

I find curves 5 - 8 take slightly less than a hammer fist to get there !!
However, these curves don’t allow for the maximum dynamic expression from very quiet to very loud.

For me, I find 3 or 9 to be the best compromise (61 Key or 88 Key) but it still takes too much force to get anywhere near.

This is even more evident when using the Kronos to control another keyboard or software where you need very high velocities to hear all the nuances

Although I’ve found the 88 and LS offer more dynamic control than the 61 when playing pianos and ep’s, they all suffer from the same issue.

It becomes very evident when you control the Kronos from another keyboard. The Kronos really sings when played from my Montage or Forte

Is there a software solution ?
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[KK]

That's interesting because as opposed to you I found that very few keyboards I have owned over the years offered good control over the whole MIDI velocity scale except one which I still have. I personally rate the Kronos as pretty good (like 8 out of 10) for MIDI control.

If you often use a PC/laptop with your Kronos, one solution to widen its MIDI dynamics is to use a MIDI mapper (there are some good free ones online). See my sig for details on one such possible solution.

[Liviou2004]

I've got the same issue with the Kronos 2 73. It's especially true with some HD-1 Progs using velocity layer samples : some are unreachable.
I've found three ways around :

1°) curve 5 is a more balanced curve and velocity near of 127 can be reached.

2°) Modifying the velocity ranges inside each HD-1 Prog

3°) Insert Midi CC velocity events inside a song or a DAW if you are using one.

Basically, I think it is more an hardware keyboard sensors calibration issue than a software one. I don't think an ultimate solution exists.

You can read this thread I've posted two years ago : http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=108967&highlight= You will find another link inside.

[Poseidon]

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The Kronos keyboard velocity sensing uses the two contact method, with the delay between first and second contact closure being used to determine the key velocity. Provided the contacts are in good condition, satisfactory calibration should be possible in software alone. However, there is no user menu item provided for doing this, since it is considered by Korg to be a factory calibration only. All the user has at their disposal on the Kronos are the velocity curves.

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[DeltaJockey]

While the Kronos is not perfect in this regard, I feel it is nothing compared to my Yamaha MODX8. My biggest bugbear with that keyboard, (and it has a fantastic sound generator), has been the most atrocious keyboard velocity response as an external controller. It's almost unusable when playing external sounds with any form of expression.

It's interesting that this complaint is becoming more common on many different boards. Still, I find Kronos in a relative sense is pretty good.

I wonder if there is any noticeable variation between RH3's?
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[Liviou2004]

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I appreciate all the input

IMHO, this is the biggest issue with the Kronos - since consistent playability is the most important aspect of any instrument.

I sold my k2 88 because of the dreadful aftertouch. I assigned a pedal to aftertouch.
I reasoned that I would be better off with the LS with much less weight. I made the right decision. I like the light touch of the keyboard and find it only slightly worse off for playing pianos but it does a very good job.

It would be great if Korg implemented a software calibration like the Kurzweil Forte uses in its equivalent to combi mode, where every program in a ‘Combi’ can have its own velocity setting.

For now, I use curve 3 or 9 and edit the velocity ranges in the HD-1 engine and alter the velocity settings in the SGX engine.

If all engines had the same calibration method as in the SGX, it would be perfect !

I haven’t found a way of calibrating the touch in the EP engine
The best I have been able to come up with is to add a different IFX to give it more bark when needed but it’s not the same.


Also, like I said, it’s more of an issue when you are controlling and external sound source
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[Mike Conway]

I posted some findings in THIS THREAD.

Scroll down to the pics. Interestingly, my Virus TI keyboard, MIDI'd to the Kronos, could hit a velocity of 126-127 consistently.

My Kronos seemed to hit the highest velocities, using Curve #6.

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[Xenophile]

I know there is a velocity scaling function in Mainstage that essentially lets you draw the response curve that you want. I assume it must be available in Logic Pro X as well.