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siebenhirter
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 Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:56 pm Post subject: StyleToKbdSet - Sb-Entry linked with Styles |
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| Biggles wrote: | ... To me the problem is the Op keeps posting the same thing over and over again and yet fail to send in either a defect report or a features update directly to Korg.
I have suggested time and time again the the Op posts their questions directly to Korg staff on their Live Webinars yet they fail do do so.
I am now of the opinion that they are only interested in Trolling the keyboardset subject on this forum. |
Please let be that goofy assertions and insinuations to make here mood against me, because they do not correspond to the truth and that really is you are trolling.
You do not read answers to you questions - that is your problem. I have informed you, that it only makes sense to report to a support division of Korg's distributor in that country where I live - and be sure, not all peoples are living in UK. Furthermore I have informed you, that I reportet shortcoming as described in this thread was reported to support division of Korg after Pa1000 becomes available in my country...
Simply again read posting from Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:42 pm / subject: Re: OS next update for the Pa700/1000 owners:
| siebenhirter wrote: | | Biggles wrote: | | Have you reported the problem you have to Korg? Have you submitted a feature request for what you seek to Korg? |
| siebenhirter wrote: | .. I think it only makes sense to report to a support division of Korg's distributor in a country where you live and are interested in a product.
Shortcoming as described in this thread was reported to support division of Korg after Pa1000 becomes available in my country... .. |
I hope that means shortcoming was reported - did not it? .. |
If you want to see if op posts their questions directly to Korg staff read posting 65732 here: https://forum.korg.de/index.php?t=msg&th=14338&goto=65732 but be sure, I really have not interest on Webinars recommended from users, answering the hope, that an update would be before Pa1000 is discontinued with such trolling postings (posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:45 am):
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Better try to read and and only write objective postings instead to stuff threads with personal sensitivities, insinuations and abstruse assumptions.
Quite simply try to understand why automatically loading KbdSet#1 by selection of an sb-entry should be necessary with a running style with StyleToKbdSets indicator OFF is a NONSENSE, so that not once again I must explain it to you again and again, why the solution with Pa3x/800/500 do not cause bumpy interruption with realtime-tracks but Pa1000/700 do so - sadly, you never notes apparently!
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:36 am Post subject: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| karmathanever wrote: | Whoops - how many posts do we have on this "StyleToKBDSET" thing??
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=772040#772040
I'd like to help but I don't see a problem with the PA keyboards in question - just personal wishes - which of course is absolutely fine.
Place it in the wish-list section and it may get viewed by Korg (no guarantees)
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Hello,
it is nice that you would be the next beside the support in my country that would help me. Above all after so many postings I am glad to receive an objective answer - this although I always described the problem properly, not seems to be understood by some users which of my opinion to not use functions, which style players with predecessor's models use intensively.
For you it seems to be a personal wish, for me it is a problem, because KbdSet#1 should not be loaded if an sb-entry is selected with an entry linked with a style.
That because songbook is equally to work with styles and songs. In case songs functionality is not the same as with styles. There are functions StyleToKbdSet and StyleToKbdSetMode explicit are made to work with styles.
For songs it is ok to initial with KbdSet#1 before start, because sb-entry-selection to not change from one song to another without stop/interruptíon/start.
But there is no realtime-sound to be initialized with running styles - quite the contrary, it should be preventet to automatically load a Kbdset with StyleToKbdSet indicated OFF, but only with StyleToKbdSet indicated ON, according to the beat (next, immediate) of StyleToKbdSetModes setting.
By the way, it is already placed as problem in wish-list-section since Wed Jul 17, 2019 together with wish Keyboard Sets Lock added (like Pa4x with [3.0] . Hope would be ok threads name "Wish-List and Problems Report sticky thread for Pa1000/Pa700" (??)
Thank you
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B.Safe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| karmathanever wrote: | Whoops - how many posts do we have on this "StyleToKBDSET" thing??
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=772040#772040
I'd like to help but I don't see a problem with the PA keyboards in question - just personal wishes - which of course is absolutely fine.
Place it in the wish-list section and it may get viewed by Korg (no guarantees)
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To move things forward, I think it may also be interesting for Korg to know how many other users are waiting for this option : to allow a selection of a Songbook entry in Style mode that does not initialize the Keyboard Set. |
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Biggles
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:51 am Post subject: |
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I want precisely what happens.
I load a Songbook Entry and precisely the KbSets I want are loaded with the Song.
I fail to see anything wrong with that.
All Songbook Entries are linked to the selected KbSets that were saved with the Song.
If say each of the Keyboard Set buttons accessed a set containing exactly the sounds I want with the default one as the first choice. Then each of the four STS buttons linked to specific KbSets and all then Saved to MySettings so that with the StToKbSet Off I would have a system that would not change with a Style change then it could work for me.
Load a Sb entry and the KbSets saved with the Sb load and pressing MySettings goes back to how you want the Kb set up.
If there is a bug or a feature request then the answer is simple
REPORT IT TO KORG
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:49 pm Post subject: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| B.Safe wrote: | | To move things forward, I think it may also be interesting for Korg to know how many other users are waiting for this option : to allow a selection of a Songbook entry in Style mode that does not initialize the Keyboard Set. |
Till present obviously you have not understood in spite of the numerous Postings that it is, besides, not about the initialization for a style, because one would like to start, but runs around a style (running-style).
So asking Korg to know how many other users like you are waiting for this option is no question - initializing a running-style to get bumpy interruption of realtime-sounds is a shortcoming.
But if you want to select a songbook entry in style mode also initialize the kbdset of a style if you want to START with them.
With realtime-sound no running styles with StyleToKbdSet OFF should be initialized with KbdSet#1, because realtime-sounds of running styles never should be interrupted by loading automatically a Kbdset expressly when StyletoKbdSet is OFF.
Its yours to ignore StyleToKbdSet if you play with sb-entries linked with songs - because a song has to be interrupted / stopped before the next starts.
It is not the same with sb-entries linked with styles - each time you want to change an sb-entry you can change the style, but should not bumpy interrupt realtime-sounds if you want make transitions with realtime-sounds, long sounds or musical decorations with the same sound. If you really deliberate a hard transition StyleToKbdSet ON is made for this, loading KbdSet#1 or with StyleToKbdSet BLINKING, loading corresponding KbdSet# of next styles variation.
| Biggles wrote: | | I want precisely what happens. REPORT IT TO KORG |
Sounds you want with the default one as the first choice - you get it, if you want, but makes no sense with sb-entry-selection within a running style...
What precisely was not said here over and over again?
Why you did not use your webinar to get answers you did not believe here - so please visit next webinar to get answers of UK-specialists for Korg!
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B.Safe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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Your problem is that you spend your time going around in circles explaining your idea, as if you expected it to be incomprehensible.
Just try to understand what you're being told :
| siebenhirter wrote: | | Till present obviously you have not understood in spite of the numerous Postings that it is, besides, not about the initialization for a style, because one would like to start, but runs around a style (running-style). |
I didn't say that we were in the case of an initialization, but that the Songbook should not initialize the Keyboard Set. Try to take the time to read what is written.
| siebenhirter wrote: | | So asking Korg to know how many other users like you are waiting for this option is no question - initializing a running-style to get bumpy interruption of realtime-sounds is a shortcoming. |
I didn't ask Korg to tell me how many users are interested, I asked interested users (other than you) to come forward so that Korg could have an idea of the importance of the demand. |
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| B.Safe wrote: | | .. Your problem is ... blabla .. as if you expected .. |
Now I am really happy to know you, as I can see that it is your problem to concern you therefore to look around in circles to see what is my problem and also to read from the crystal ball what I would expect.
Do you really think it is necessary to study and mention what could be my problem instead to seek for an idea how to become objective finally?
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B.Safe
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | B.Safe wrote: | | .. Your problem is ... blabla .. as if you expected .. |
Now I am really happy to know you, as I can see that it is your problem to concern you therefore to look around in circles to see what is my problem and also to read from the crystal ball what I would expect.
Do you really think it is necessary to study and mention what could be my problem instead to seek for an idea how to become objective finally? |
Actually, I wasn't really expecting an answer from you.
Fortunately because, as usual, you're trying to duck the real subject : are there other users waiting for the option you request ? |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is going way off its initial topic. I for one am very happy with the Pa700. As mentioned here in other threads the Pa700 is great value for money. It would be nice to get an os next style upgrade for both the Pa700 and Pa1000.
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| B.Safe wrote: | .. Actually, I wasn't really expecting an answer from you.
Fortunately because, as usual, you're trying to duck the real subject : are there other users waiting for the option you request ? ... |
Actually, I really was expecting exactly this answer and question from you.
Fortunately because, as usual, you're trying to duck the real subject with using squalid argumentation disqualifying the interlocutor and make him the member of a minority.
If you need other users to criticise entitled shortcomings - that is yours, but there is no need for electoral assistants to criticise hesitant correction of an evident shortcoming.
Additional in this case is not necessary because recognised from more responsibly side:
With realtime-sound no running styles with StyleToKbdSet OFF should be initialized with KbdSet#1, because realtime-sounds of running styles never should be interrupted by loading automatically a Kbdset expressly when StyletoKbdSet is OFF.
To fight the correction of a faulty function, only because you do not use them themselves instead of supporting efforts towards one instrument a total of with functions them preserved who are applicable so variously like the predecessor's models - for it you should be ashamed instead of posting suggestiv questions!
And that is the reason why threads often are going way off its initial topic here.
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B.Safe
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | B.Safe wrote: | .. Actually, I wasn't really expecting an answer from you.
Fortunately because, as usual, you're trying to duck the real subject : are there other users waiting for the option you request ? ... |
Actually, I really was expecting exactly this answer and question from you.
Fortunately because, as usual, you're trying to duck the real subject with using squalid argumentation disqualifying the interlocutor and make him the member of a minority.
If you need other users to criticise entitled shortcomings - that is yours, but there is no need for electoral assistants to criticise hesitant correction of an evident shortcoming.
Additional in this case is not necessary because recognised from more responsibly side:
With realtime-sound no running styles with StyleToKbdSet OFF should be initialized with KbdSet#1, because realtime-sounds of running styles never should be interrupted by loading automatically a Kbdset expressly when StyletoKbdSet is OFF.
To fight the correction of a faulty function, only because you do not use them themselves instead of supporting efforts towards one instrument a total of with functions them preserved who are applicable so variously like the predecessor's models - for it you should be ashamed instead of posting suggestiv questions!
And that is the reason why threads often are going way off its initial topic here. |
You're really paranoid.
I'm not trying to put you in a minority, but to know if your method is used by other users. Maybe I'm missing something and I'd rather know.
Nor do I seek to combat a request for evolution, but to ensure that if it is introduced into the instrument, it will be like an option. Indeed, I want to ensure that the current operating mode can always be used.
And as for your philosophical digressions, they really take us away from the subject of OP.
If you would agree to consider that opinions different from yours may also be of interest, you would spend less time believing that you are the only one who holds the truth. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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siebenhirter - is there a way that you could provide a video link explaining what exactly is going on?
As I try to read your posts, and the responses to your posts, something gets lost and I get a bit confused.
Can you make a video of what is 'wrong' with the operation that you describe, put it up on YouTube, and then provide us with the link? Maybe we would better understand what you are trying to explain through words...
I, personally, use the Songbook for registering my original music where the soundbeds are in MP3 format. Each song has 4 keyboard sets, positioned in STS 1-4 that I may use within each song to play over the soundbeds with. My soundbeds are located on the MicroSD that I installed in the unit, next to the battery.
I then put the songs in order in the Songbook that I want to play them. It is a little fiddly when you need to make corrections, but I think that I have the operation down pretty well.
What I use it for is much different than what you use it for. If you could make a video explaining what exactly is going on, that would be great - we would probably understand better...
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| NativeAngels wrote: | | This thread is going way off its initial topic. I for one am very happy with the Pa700. As mentioned here in other threads the Pa700 is great value for money. It would be nice to get an os next style upgrade for both the Pa700 and Pa1000. |
I agree - the PA700 is a fantastic value. I have gotten A LOT of use out of mine. Looking forward to a lot more mileage out of it yet.
What I would like to see is the ability to change the fonts and colors. I am not terribly worried about the 'OS Next' per se, but being able to change that nasty Orange/Green color to something else would be neat.
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Os next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| B.Safe wrote: | | ... You're really paranoid. ..... I want to ensure that the current operating mode can always be used .. |
It is already you who is paranoid to think a partial, faulty option which you did not use anyway, else you became have noted the ugly mistake, now suddenly would disturb current well working options.
| B.Safe wrote: | | ...Nor do I seek to combat a request for evolution .. |
Please do not think again StyleToKbdSet and StyleToKbdSet have to do something with evolution, but with cursorily forgotten in source code not to load automatically also KbdSet#1 in case of Sb-entry-selelction with Style and StyleToKbdSet OFF. There really few has happened in the Software-Engeneering what one can call evolutionary - so it is published only for the customer.
| B.Safe wrote: | | ...but to ensure that if it is introduced into the instrument, it will be like an option. .. |
There nothing is to be introduced into the instrument but simply to change an existing modul to reactivate three lines of source code signed to commentar back to lines with prg code as it runs with Pa3x/800/500.
There is no new option and does not disturb current operatin mode, because StyleToKbdSet especially is for sb-entries linked for styles, only just it was also used for entries linked with songs, to initial KbdSets before starting with StyleToKbdSet OFF and ON with KbdSet#1. Sb-Entries linked for styles with their property also to be able to changed pursued going through sequences, there is no need to initialize with loading Kbdset#1. On the contrary, this is a mistake that was inconspicuously and forgotten with the final test to be removed loading KbdSet#1, because only sensibly for sb-entries linked with songs, but with Sb entry type styles cause an ugly mistake.
If you really would prevent to take us away from the subject of OP also prevent your suggestions to mention what would be me problem which I spend my time, that I would be paranoid, my argument would be philosophical digressions, my vision of the PA1000 remains so obsessive and narrow etc.
Prevent what you do with you statements - the only problem I posted here against your paranoid resistance is:
| siebenhirter wrote: | .. but would really be nice also to get an upgrade like OS Next for Pa700 and Pa1000 owners
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For me it would be important in next OS to correct the function of "StyleToKbdSet" in Sb-Mode.
This function has the shortcoming with selection of sb-entries switching automatically to KbdSet#1 although this function (StyleToKbdSet) is put to OFF.
---> http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=119048
In styleplay mode it usually works satisfyingly, but with Songbook that is useless!
As soon as running styles used with sb-entries and "StyleToKbdSet" set to Off each sb-selection causes bumpy interruptions instead of realtime-tracks soft transitions - that is useless.
For me it is a DECISIVE ARGUMENT TO PURCHASE a Pa1000: playing a running style with songbook should be free of bumpy interruptions of realtime-sounds in case of selecting sb-entries (using Previous, Next, Direct Access or Set-List-Buttons) with setting "StyleToKbdSet"=OFF.
Hence, I still wait for an OS update for Pa1000!
PS: With sb-entry-typ style in previous Pa-series of Korg we did not have that interruptions, but smooth transitions of realtime-tracks as expectet in case indicator was OFF (function had another name, but works useful ... |
Your lapidar answers supporting to get a well functioning OS: songbook is not a mode, the KeyboardSets are still useful.
Thanks for your distinctive understanding and to read postings as they are not written like you read them - maybe we do not speak the same language?
Maybe its really me, because my English is not good enough.
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:22 pm Post subject: OS next Pa700 and Pa1000 |
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| Musicwithharry wrote: | | .. is there a way that you could provide a video link explaining what exactly is going on? .. |
Automatically loading KbdSet#1 by selection of an sb-entry of a running style with StyleToKbdSets indicator OFF causes bumpy interruptions of realtime-sounds.
Transition of a continuous running style to the next with interruption of realtime-tracks sound is useless because StyleToKbdSet OFF explicit should avoid interruptions (as we had with previous arrangers).
Hence, I still wait for an OS update for Pa1000 do correct this!
What exactly of "what is going on" you do not understand with this simple describtion of a function, that do not deal with how you use your keyboard?
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