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Nemik
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 Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Managing data in Pa-Keyboards |
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PS: It not only makes suspicious if the KPM requires an internet connection during operation, which means that it cannot be used offline, but also it is dubious that it only seems to work when Antivir is deactivated - means a PC is unprotected against viruses while operating. |
That's a security protecting issue, to protect software written from scratches over 142K line of code, you should know that!!
@ siebenhirter You smart, why don't you write a software and give all free to use !!!
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duby2
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:51 am Post subject: opinion |
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Do you or Must you turn off your your anti virus protection to work this program,,,,
is this true,,,,
is this program from what country,,,
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karmathanever
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:37 am Post subject: |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | It not only makes suspicious if the KPM requires an internet connection during operation, which means that it cannot be used offline, but also it is dubious that it only seems to work when Antivir is deactivated - means a PC is unprotected against viruses while operating. |
If this is true, then it is totally unacceptable and completely unusable (to me) IMHO.
If any software vendor advertises -
"....Hey, buy my software, it's great but be aware that you'll have to be connected on the Internet and you need to turn off your Anti-Virus in order to use it..."
SERIOUSLY - would you buy it?
Come on!! This is 2020. Who would actually accept that? There is no excuse for any software to require anti-virus bypass or constant internet for no reason.
I consider this software to be an off-line tool.
Apologies if I have misunderstood this - I hope this is not true 
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BR
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:17 am Post subject: Re: opinion |
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| duby2 wrote: | Do you or Must you turn off your your anti virus protection to work this program,,,,
is this true,,,,
is this program from what country,,, |
No duby, no need to turn off the antivirus.
I use the KPM for about 4 years.
It helped me to make/combine my set from 4 or 5 other different sets of full of samples.
Before KPM, I remember, I spent days and weeks to do the same thing by loading each set with more than 100 styles with samples into Pa4X, listening and taking notes of each style track instrument name, location, etc... Then remove all samples, user styles, and load second set and doing and repeat the same thing for 4 or 5 different sets, It took me spend lot of papers and time.
Thanks to KPM for doing the same thing faster and more convenient on PC, not comparable in matter of time.
I did some similar experiences on Pa4X, it was a nightmare.
The only thing I wish the developer add into KPM, it's the ability to audition the styles, that way we don't need to audition in Pa4X for combining the sets.
And don't forget mapping the style tracks is done automatically too in KPM when combining the style so no worry about that.
And more other options like cleaning the corrupt samples (greyed out samples) which is not possible to do in Pa4X. |
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moebrand
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Hey guys,
I just started using the version 4 of the pa manager today and I am trying to convert a pa4x set to pa 1000 so I can use it with my pa1000.
My question is how can I copy the 6 user banks and 3 dk banks of the pa4x sets to pa 1000 when it only has 4 user sound banks and 2 user DK banks ?
Can somebody please shed some light on this?
Thanks!
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Keymn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:57 am Post subject: Re: opinion |
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| BR wrote: | | duby2 wrote: | Do you or Must you turn off your your anti virus protection to work this program,,,,
is this true,,,,
is this program from what country,,, |
No duby, no need to turn off the antivirus.
I use the KPM for about 4 years.
It helped me to make/combine my set from 4 or 5 other different sets of full of samples.
Before KPM, I remember, I spent days and weeks to do the same thing by loading each set with more than 100 styles with samples into Pa4X, listening and taking notes of each style track instrument name, location, etc... Then remove all samples, user styles, and load second set and doing and repeat the same thing for 4 or 5 different sets, It took me spend lot of papers and time.
Thanks to KPM for doing the same thing faster and more convenient on PC, not comparable in matter of time.
I did some similar experiences on Pa4X, it was a nightmare.
The only thing I wish the developer add into KPM, it's the ability to audition the styles, that way we don't need to audition in Pa4X for combining the sets.
And don't forget mapping the style tracks is done automatically too in KPM when combining the style so no worry about that.
And more other options like cleaning the corrupt samples (greyed out samples) which is not possible to do in Pa4X. |
Thanks for shedding some light on this. Yes audition styles would be great, but think it would have to connect midi to keyboard. That is probably another version or 2 in future? I Just had a great session with this by adding the PA3x factory styles that are not on pa1000. And a couple days ago I combined all the bonusware to 1 set. Very convenient...
‘Moebrand” needs some help...it is a learning curve at first but then it suddenly becomes an easy tool... |
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Keymn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| moebrand wrote: | Hey guys,
I just started using the version 4 of the pa manager today and I am trying to convert a pa4x set to pa 1000 so I can use it with my pa1000.
My question is how can I copy the 6 user banks and 3 dk banks of the pa4x sets to pa 1000 when it only has 4 user sound banks and 2 user DK banks ?
Can somebody please shed some light on this?
Thanks! |
You have to do copy/paste individually. That is one thing pa1000 cut back on.
How many sounds does the Pa4x have, is the 6 user, 3 dk banks full? |
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Nemik
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| karmathanever wrote: | | siebenhirter wrote: | | It not only makes suspicious if the KPM requires an internet connection during operation, which means that it cannot be used offline, but also it is dubious that it only seems to work when Antivir is deactivated - means a PC is unprotected against viruses while operating. |
If this is true, then it is totally unacceptable and completely unusable (to me) IMHO.
If any software vendor advertises -
"....Hey, buy my software, it's great but be aware that you'll have to be connected on the Internet and you need to turn off your Anti-Virus in order to use it..."
SERIOUSLY - would you buy it?
Come on!! This is 2020. Who would actually accept that? There is no excuse for any software to require anti-virus bypass or constant internet for no reason.
I consider this software to be an off-line tool.
Apologies if I have misunderstood this - I hope this is not true
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Is not True.
...unless Your Anti-Virus is in mode blocking everything.
First time when when you install any software requite updates, Anti-Virus is asking User if allow, then when you agree stay that way and no need to do anything.
All new generation software is requite internet connection, Microsoft Office, Adobe Software etc.
BTW, nobody cares to read the website or ask the developer directly, instead writing negative speculations which they are not even close to true.
Korg Pa Manager is worth every penny and is cheaper that people making for 1 gig playing, but saving a lot of time and has more features that Korg Pa itself.
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Nemik
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MOTU Midi Express XT, FCB1010 with UnO, Behringer X2222 USB, TASCAM Model 24 Mixer, Presonus AudioBox96, M-Track Plus
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karmathanever
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AS I SAID "Apologies if I have misunderstood this"
Seems like I have then, and the earlier comments are incorrect....
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siebenhirter
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:40 pm Post subject: Managing data in Pa-Keyboards |
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| Nemik wrote: | | .. Is not True....unless Your Anti-Virus is in mode blocking everything.. |
Hello Nemik,
I believe in your experience, that it would not be true that KPM seems not work when Antivir is deactivated.
But also if new generation software requires internet connection (Microsoft Office, Adobe Software etc.) it is not necessary to be connected to the internet because one runs a data conversion program for a keyboard.
It is enough to be observable each time visiting a website or in case of third-party trackers. Also if most people think Google’s business is running a search engine and Facebook’s is running a social network - they operate the largest ad networks on the Internet, which millions of sites and apps use to serve ads. That alone is bad enough - but it's not just about advertising. Worse are the analysis tools and tracking codes of these companies for profiles and tracking data.
Not only is all of this tracking and hyper-targeting super creepy, it can have unintended consequences. For example, bad actors can use these individual targeted ad systems to influence or manipulate people (e.g., impact political movements) or segment groups in a discriminatory way (e.g., restrict ads for jobs or housing).
Even worse, these companies can keep all this profile and tracking data forever — and combine it with other data that they buy from data brokers (like retail purchase records, magazine subscriptions, telephone records, etc.) to make individual profiles even more comprehensive. Government agencies, police, or anyone else can then require Facebook and Google to turn over these incredibly revealing profiles of you, your friends, or your family.
So please don't be surprised why it is perceived as annoying when using this simple and less inexpensive conversion software to be automatically obliged to connect to the Internet instead of doing a hobby offline.
If, where and when I would like to be online, I would at least be able to decide that for myself!
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Keymn
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Managing data in Pa-Keyboards |
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| siebenhirter wrote: | | Nemik wrote: | | .. Is not True....unless Your Anti-Virus is in mode blocking everything.. |
Hello Nemik,
I believe in your experience, that it would not be true that KPM seems not work when Antivir is deactivated.
But also if new generation software requires internet connection (Microsoft Office, Adobe Software etc.) it is not necessary to be connected to the internet because one runs a data conversion program for a keyboard.
It is enough to be observable each time visiting a website or in case of third-party trackers. Also if most people think Google’s business is running a search engine and Facebook’s is running a social network - they operate the largest ad networks on the Internet, which millions of sites and apps use to serve ads. That alone is bad enough - but it's not just about advertising. Worse are the analysis tools and tracking codes of these companies for profiles and tracking data.
Not only is all of this tracking and hyper-targeting super creepy, it can have unintended consequences. For example, bad actors can use these individual targeted ad systems to influence or manipulate people (e.g., impact political movements) or segment groups in a discriminatory way (e.g., restrict ads for jobs or housing).
Even worse, these companies can keep all this profile and tracking data forever — and combine it with other data that they buy from data brokers (like retail purchase records, magazine subscriptions, telephone records, etc.) to make individual profiles even more comprehensive. Government agencies, police, or anyone else can then require Facebook and Google to turn over these incredibly revealing profiles of you, your friends, or your family.
So please don't be surprised why it is perceived as annoying when using this simple and less inexpensive conversion software to be automatically obliged to connect to the Internet instead of doing a hobby offline.
If, where and when I would like to be online, I would at least be able to decide that for myself! |
And it is strange when discussing a product at home and it suddenly comes up in advertising, Facebook, Google? We are not alone and no longer private. Thanks for your insight and knowledge on this subject... |
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Nemik
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Managing data in Pa-Keyboards |
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| siebenhirter wrote: |
If, where and when I would like to be online, I would at least be able to decide that for myself! |
Everybody has own point of view.
Nobody force to buy it, a lot of people don't need KPM, but author has right to protect his product the way he thinks is best for him.
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MOTU Midi Express XT, FCB1010 with UnO, Behringer X2222 USB, TASCAM Model 24 Mixer, Presonus AudioBox96, M-Track Plus
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Keymn
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| It is there when you need it. I just used it a couple days, compiling all my Style lists then put in a excel Spreadsheet, now rest of the work is on my keyboard. May never use it for a while, but nice if you want to create a custom set. Easier to work with a 32” pc monitor... |
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moebrand
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:29 am Post subject: |
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I think I am getting more familiar with the pa manager now and I could mix some styles from a few sets and made one new one today .
There was an update today which I think fixed some bugs which is a good thing.
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Moebrand
Korg PA1000,
DSR Ram singh Scale changer Custom made Harmonium
DMS 3Reed Harmonium
an old Accordion
Apple iMac 480GB SSD , 12GB DDR3 Ram,
logic Pro X , Studio One 3.
Dell laptop with 500GB ssd and 8GB Ram , Korg Pa Manager V4
FL Studio 11 Producer Edition
Studio One 6 Artist
Allan & Heath Zedi 10FX mixer
Shure Beta 87A Condenser Microphone
Audio Technica in ear studio monitor headphones |
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moebrand
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Moebrand” needs some help...it is a learning curve at first but then it suddenly becomes an easy tool... |
I am figuring things out more now with pa manager and I like it .
Thanks all for supporting!
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Korg PA1000,
DSR Ram singh Scale changer Custom made Harmonium
DMS 3Reed Harmonium
an old Accordion
Apple iMac 480GB SSD , 12GB DDR3 Ram,
logic Pro X , Studio One 3.
Dell laptop with 500GB ssd and 8GB Ram , Korg Pa Manager V4
FL Studio 11 Producer Edition
Studio One 6 Artist
Allan & Heath Zedi 10FX mixer
Shure Beta 87A Condenser Microphone
Audio Technica in ear studio monitor headphones |
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