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I would like Korg more if they updated Kronos OS
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you ! would be nice if you answered the 'poll'.

Assuming I write to Mr Korg in 2 weeks, I will ask for your trident engine
Very Happy


Done and thanks Greg.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kronoSphere wrote:
No no no and ... No
Yamaha does not and has never done more update than Korg.
And Roland too.


So that was my entire point. Whether it's Korg or Yamaha, wouldn't you pay say 5$ for those much later update and/or improvement? At that moment when company won't do update anymore.

Because we sure darn know that we're not gonna get any as it is.

Just saying.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dniss wrote:
kronoSphere wrote:
No no no and ... No
Yamaha does not and has never done more update than Korg.
And Roland too.


So that was my entire point. Whether it's Korg or Yamaha, wouldn't you pay say 5$ for those much later update and/or improvement? At that moment when company won't do update anymore.

Because we sure darn know that we're not gonna get any as it is.

Just saying.


I understand the pessimism- that Korg will not do a later OS enhancement unless you or we throw $$$ at them.

That, in itself , is a "big If". And another strategy if you choose to run with it here. Its your idea.

My take is that Kronos owners should simply assert, should request what we deserve from Korg.

Currently this is the plan. As I see it.

1] Establish and/or prove we have a volume of Kronos owners that vote "YES".
2] A letter goes to the Korg Inc BOD.
3] We or I get a reply. Or they ignore my latter. Or don't say anything tangible
or committal.

We are at Step 1.

Lets see how this simple approach plays out.

I have another unusual notion, my wishful thinking- that an OS enhancement is sitting on a Korg employees desk top , waiting for a finishing touch
or a high level approval from Korg Inc.

But don't hold your breath on that wishful thinking.

I would like to be surprised by Korg doing something for Kronos.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg I'm with you.
Anything that works is good for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dniss wrote:
Greg I'm with you.
Anything that works is good for me.


Excellent. I don't mind the effort.

Maybe its a behavior stuck in my head--

"Do; or do not; there is no try."
— Master Yoda
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't misunderstand me, I applaud the effort to see what Korg is up to for the Kronos, but...

Remember the COVID-19 pandemic ? It's far from over. Lots of businesses went under already or won't survive the year – some of them famous since decades. I'm happy Korg will stay alive. But I am sure they have a tough financial year as most do. In many countries, millions of people receive emergency money from their government otherwise they would not eat or pay the rent.

Many people nowadays act like spoiled kids, never satisfied and blaming their tools instead of their lack of imagination or talent. I’m used the opposite way – create everything you can with the tools you have and make clever optimal use of them to achieve your goals.

Korg has no obligation to update the Kronos OS after all those years. But they still do from time to time. The last 2019 OS update came with the Quick Split/Layer feature. How many are even using it ? Also released last year is Korg’s excellent Italian/Fazioli grand piano. Recording, sampling and creating a nice sounding grand piano library is very difficult and takes lots of work. Now, how many years Kurzweil users stayed stuck with their "triple strike piano" ?

So a new OS for the Kronos is on the way ? Great, I will be very pleased. But if Korg has other concerns right now than my (or anyone else's) little personal requests, I will certainly understand. And most importantly, I’ll continue to enjoy my Kronos every day. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi KK, thank you for your thoughts re: Covid 19 impact on Korg Inc. And on the marketplace.

As a long time Korg watcher, I gave this situation consideration and research.

I assume their operations were impacted in February and March.

As for many businesses, where Covid 19 is contagious and spreading.

1) What Lies Behind Japan's Successful Management Of The Pandemic:
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862654095/what-lies-behind-japans-successful-management-of-the-pandemic

2) Businesses, companies can be resilient and over come Corona.
I have 100's of emails , letters, from a variety of business' assuring me
their operations are on solid ground.

3) The stock market, here in the US is thriving as corporations, many large businesses are achieving sales/profit.

4) The MI industry is having a resurgence in sales. Acoustic piano sales have returned, for example. Families are introducing musical instruments to their children.

That is One Silver Lining

5) Based on my anecdotal observations of Korg activity, its possible they were effected early on, February. But I have seen communication that all is well.


Korg Inc [Japan], like other successful co's, are resilient.

I believe they are enjoying increased Sales activity based on the MI reports
and a loyal enthusiastic customer base.

My personal conclusion based on facts I am aware of, is that Korg Inc business is alive and well.

Covid 19 will be with us for some time. Many are adapting. There are difficulties and stresses, esp here in the US.

If you want to discuss Covid 19 with me, PM me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the topic GregC. I would welcome an update Kronos.
GregC, write a letter to the Korg. Better try to do at least something than do nothing. I would also wrote a letter to Korg, if english was my native language, but it's hard for me to do this.

GregC, I support you for of updating Kronos.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galf2 wrote:
Thanks for the topic GregC. I would welcome an update Kronos.
GregC, write a letter to the Korg. Better try to do at least something than do nothing. I would also wrote a letter to Korg, if english was my native language, but it's hard for me to do this.

GregC, I support you for of updating Kronos.


I like your post and your energy.

you and I speak the same language.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KK wrote:
Don't misunderstand me, I applaud the effort to see what Korg is up to for the Kronos, but...

Remember the COVID-19 pandemic ? It's far from over. Lots of businesses went under already or won't survive the year – some of them famous since decades. I'm happy Korg will stay alive...


Hello KK,

Of course we are all happy Korg stay alive, who wouldn't be ?

Just one observation : there was no COVID before december 2019, right ? Yet, the Korg Team would be ever the same : no communication nor attention, toward the consumers.
All turned toward selling little toys or little Kbs. Once they have sold their gear, the consumer doesn't exist anymore.
Most of the dealers do their best. But fondamental fixes and corrections are not their concerns.

So COVID has really nothing to do this KORG corporate culture.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted yes to the poll already of course.

WRT the economic conditions, I don’t know how successful it was for Korg, but why not do something like they did with the K1 to K2 update (sans hardware change). Do a fairly substantial firmware update (free), and offer a new program bank that uses the new features ($99?).

That way they could hopefully offset a lot of the development cost, and also have renewed buzz and marketing campaign material

I’m curious GregC, since you are rallying the troops Very Happy what’s at the top of your list for new features?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don’t want to rain on your parade GregC, and I sincerely hope you’ll get some kind of response from the KORG management, but I think the chances of KORG updating the Kronos are nigh zero.
The instrument is almost ten years old and KORG already have updated it for a long time. I think the latest ‘new’ Kronos is filler material to bridge the period for KORG’s next big thing, and they probably have been working on it for quite some time now.
Nevertheless, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The pandemic was just one point I mentioned. Another one is the new stuff Korg did for the Kronos last year, which IMHO was substantial with the quick layer/split feature and Italian/Fazioli piano library. I am sure it implied a big amount of work. Yet, people complain as if nothing was done for them and that they are being unfairly neglected - pure nonsense. Some even complained the new piano library should be free for all Kronos users.

Same story as always. A new digital keyboard comes out and people quickly flood forums with negative comments with ridiculous things such as "I would buy it with a full weighted action, but it must weight under 10 lbs", etc. But once again, hey, kudos if anyone can convince Korg they are so neglectful towards us. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lightbringer wrote:
I voted yes to the poll already of course.

WRT the economic conditions, I don’t know how successful it was for Korg, but why not do something like they did with the K1 to K2 update (sans hardware change). Do a fairly substantial firmware update (free), and offer a new program bank that uses the new features ($99?).

That way they could hopefully offset a lot of the development cost, and also have renewed buzz and marketing campaign material

I’m curious GregC, since you are rallying the troops Very Happy what’s at the top of your list for new features?


Hey, you have solid suggestions.

I have a few OS enhancements I am desperate for.

But its not about what I want. I prefer a collective or community approach to the
" most wanted ".

The challenge is that there are 50-100 requests in posts over the past 9 years, so its not easily organized and prioritized.

Could Kronos owners settle on a " Top 5 Most wanted OS Enhancements " ?

I think this is a separate discussion.

Do Kronos owners want a prioritized " Top 5 Most wanted OS Enhancements " ?

I can start that separate communication in a post topic if several posters want to see that started
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KK wrote:
Don't misunderstand me, I applaud the effort to see what Korg is up to for the Kronos, but...

1)Korg has no obligation to update the Kronos OS after all those years.

2) But they still do from time to time. The last 2019 OS update came with the Quick Split/Layer feature. )


1) thats true but thats not the goal.

Doing nothing is not a goal IMO.

2) Fact checking you: The Quick Split/Layer feature was introduced on
3.1 :
Jan 22, 2017

Thats 3 years and 5 months since 3.1

3.1.3 was a bug fix OS update.

You can look it up:

https://cdn.korg.com/us/support/download/files/ae0b70caf8367e1b76f4f3c7fac51d22.pdf?response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3DKRONOS_3_1_3_Release_Notes_E1.pdf&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf%3B
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