Korg Forums Forum Index Korg Forums
A forum for Korg product users and musicians around the world.
Moderated Independently.
Owned by Irish Acts Recording Studio & hosted by KORG USA
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Using Midi Files

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Korg Pa4X
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
taichi
Senior Member


Joined: 21 Aug 2017
Posts: 288
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:26 pm    Post subject: Using Midi Files Reply with quote

When we download a midi file it is sometimes great to sing along with but not good when "playing along" to. Any tips/tricks please to "thin it out" a bit in order to play and hear our own melodies and other right hand stuff. And at the same time keep the parts of the midi that would enhance our playing. (like we do with styles)

Hope that makes sense.

Thanks
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mazydazydinah
Junior Member


Joined: 16 Sep 2018
Posts: 88

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:43 pm    Post subject: playing with Midi's Reply with quote

Hi there, I have been doing this during lockdown. What I do, but remember I am also a learner as well lol. I go into the sequencer mode on the keyboard, load the midi and then you can turn down the volumes or cancel the volume altogether then that takes that instrument out. Save it, and then if all has gone well you will be able to load it back into the song mode and play and sing along with it., and everything should be a bit calmer. Hope that helps a little.

Marion
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Biggles
Platinum Member


Joined: 31 Aug 2017
Posts: 1011

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not simply import the MIDI and let the Style Creator Bot do its thing to create a user Style which you can then edit in the normal manner?
_________________
Biggles
Lancashire, UK
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Reuben
Platinum Member


Joined: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 1613
Location: Sydney, Australia

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big user of midis (more than styles in fact) and I tend to mute the main backing instrument (usually piano or guitar) to give me some space to play.
I think the amount you mute from the midi depends on the situation.
For fun at home or a sing-along leave most of it there because people want familiarity in that situation.
For a gigging musician delete as musch as possible because the listener wants you to be the attraction not the backing. In this case just leave mainly bass and drums and if you know how to use markers then put them in so you can repeat that chorus or whatever.
Deleting too much can also be problematic if you can't keep timing or know where you are up to. Sometime I will add my own cymbol tapping to the midi in quiet sections to help me keep in time and I always like to have midi lyrics on screen to give me confidence of where I am in the song.
_________________
Free SoundFonts: https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/
Free high quality Grand Piano for Korg Pa: http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=113029
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Musicwithharry
Platinum Member


Joined: 23 Mar 2012
Posts: 694
Location: Anamosa, IA

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reuben wrote:
I'm a big user of midis (more than styles in fact) and I tend to mute the main backing instrument (usually piano or guitar) to give me some space to play.
I think the amount you mute from the midi depends on the situation.
For fun at home or a sing-along leave most of it there because people want familiarity in that situation.
For a gigging musician delete as musch as possible because the listener wants you to be the attraction not the backing. In this case just leave mainly bass and drums and if you know how to use markers then put them in so you can repeat that chorus or whatever.
Deleting too much can also be problematic if you can't keep timing or know where you are up to. Sometime I will add my own cymbol tapping to the midi in quiet sections to help me keep in time and I always like to have midi lyrics on screen to give me confidence of where I am in the song.


I, too, use a lot of MIDI files. In fact, my PA700 is usually the band in duos and trios that I am putting together/playing with.

I delete the lead track altogether so a lead singer can sing the part.

I will delete the instrument solos as well, so I can use the M50 for the soloing.

If the trio has a keyboardist, I will either delete the main part for them, or I will have them layer with it. If I delete the part, I have to make sure that a hit-hat sound or something is playing during the keyboard part when they are playing it.

I generally just do the main guitar parts and solos on the M50 anymore, since I have programmed the rest of the song already.

It works well, but if you are gong to use MIDI files in a band type situation where the keyboard IS the band, you have to be strategic in what you delete so you still have fullness in the sound coming out of the main outputs on the mixer.

Biggles did suggest running the Style Converter Bot and I second that as well. It does not always work well, but you can at least give it a try and see if any work out for your that you can play as a style.

If you are going to transmit any MIDI signals to other sound modules, drum machines, etc..., make sure that you are palying the SMF in Song Mode. I have had considerable experience in the different tracks not sending MIDI signals right when you hit start. For some reason, I had to Mute/Unmute each track that I had MIDI going out on to other instruments. Siebenhirter, another user here in the Forum, suggested that I play the SMFs in Song Mode instead of Sequencer Mode, and it took care of the problem. I run at least an external drum machine to fatten up the drums on the PA700. I may add more MIDI gear as I go on, but with over 350 MIDI files created/modified, it will take much time to configured those additional instruments to play with the PA700.

Good Luck Smile

Grace,
Harry
_________________
Alesis Vortex Keytar, Alesis QS6.2, Alesis QSR, Alesis SR-16, Behringer Deepmind-12, Ensoniq Avista 7600, Ensoniq VFX, Ensoniq VFX-SD, Ensoniq SQ1+, (2) Ensoniq SQ-R+/32, Korg i3 (2020 Version), (2) Korg Kross 1-61, (2) Korg Kross 1-88, Korg Minilogue XD, Korg Minilogue XD Module, Korg M50-61, Korg PA700, Korg X5DR, Korg Z3, Kurzweil SP1, Lowrey EZP3 (bascially a Kawai), Roland D-05, Roland E-09, Waldorf Streichfett, Yamaha Reface CP, Yamaha Reface CS, Yamaha Reface DX, Yamaha Reface YC
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
taichi
Senior Member


Joined: 21 Aug 2017
Posts: 288
Location: UK

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Marion for kicking off OP and Harry, Reuben and Biggles too. As a result I have spent two days playing around with midi files. Downloaded a few to add to Reubens that he kindly donated. I am an Eagles and Creedence Clearwater fan and Reuben they were great.

After a shaky start I am at the moment over the moon with results. To start I used Style Bot as you mentioned and most of them turned out professional. (with room to improve via tweeking ??) Problem is I need to get more sheet music now.

Need to read manual regarding markers so thanks for that. Plan is to keep a book of my results and share with you. Must leave it there, its Sunday and a few beers. I have learnt a lot so thanks to you all. Songbook is great, I love it, the heart of Korg I think. But this project has added another dimension I hope.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
taichi
Senior Member


Joined: 21 Aug 2017
Posts: 288
Location: UK

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update. First lot of midi files downloaded and converted to styles using Style Bot were excellent. (mostly). Saved to user 1 and 2 empty slots. Really pleased.

However I downloaded other Midi files and converted to styles. I played them today and they were very poor, even rubbish. Very disappointed and will delete them.

So, the difference must be the source of the midi files. What I have learnt is not to spend and waste a lot of time tweeking the bad ones. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Love that proverb.

You will all know this but just my update as promised. At the end of the day I now have some super favourite songs to play from the good ones. Like Harry said “see what you like” which is what I have done.

Thanks to you all for replying to post.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Musicwithharry
Platinum Member


Joined: 23 Mar 2012
Posts: 694
Location: Anamosa, IA

PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taichi wrote:
Update. First lot of midi files downloaded and converted to styles using Style Bot were excellent. (mostly). Saved to user 1 and 2 empty slots. Really pleased.

However I downloaded other Midi files and converted to styles. I played them today and they were very poor, even rubbish. Very disappointed and will delete them.

So, the difference must be the source of the midi files. What I have learnt is not to spend and waste a lot of time tweeking the bad ones. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Love that proverb.

You will all know this but just my update as promised. At the end of the day I now have some super favourite songs to play from the good ones. Like Harry said “see what you like” which is what I have done.

Thanks to you all for replying to post.


Thank you for your update. Using the Style Converter Bot is 'hit and miss' and it really does depend on the MIDI file itself. With that said, there many MIDI files that I have that sound GREAT and everything is in order, but when I try to use the Converter Bot on them, the results are much less than 'great'. I am not sure what the alrogithm is that Korg uses to make these files into styles...

I am glad that some worked for you Smile

Grace,
Harry
_________________
Alesis Vortex Keytar, Alesis QS6.2, Alesis QSR, Alesis SR-16, Behringer Deepmind-12, Ensoniq Avista 7600, Ensoniq VFX, Ensoniq VFX-SD, Ensoniq SQ1+, (2) Ensoniq SQ-R+/32, Korg i3 (2020 Version), (2) Korg Kross 1-61, (2) Korg Kross 1-88, Korg Minilogue XD, Korg Minilogue XD Module, Korg M50-61, Korg PA700, Korg X5DR, Korg Z3, Kurzweil SP1, Lowrey EZP3 (bascially a Kawai), Roland D-05, Roland E-09, Waldorf Streichfett, Yamaha Reface CP, Yamaha Reface CS, Yamaha Reface DX, Yamaha Reface YC
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
taichi
Senior Member


Joined: 21 Aug 2017
Posts: 288
Location: UK

PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry

Just another update after a day messing around with midi files. Yes many of the midis saved sound really good to listen to as you say but only a percentage of them convert to a nice style. I have learnt again not to bother with the poor converted ones and to delete them from User.

But I have no problem with that, a percentage game as you said. At the end of the day I am gradually adding more songs to play, good songs too of all genres. Rock, ballad, traditional, gospel, jazz whatever.

I wonder how Marion is doing on this project ? Learning a bit by going into Menu and adjusting a few things via the manual and reading the posts here.

Thanks Harry
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korg Forums Forum Index -> Korg Pa4X All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group