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[silon]

I have added a number of programs into song midi tracks. Two of them - both electric guitars - do not seem to be affected when I modify pan. Any ideas please?
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[KingKronos]

At first I thought the issue might be stereo effects. But I'm able to pan a stereo guitar cabinet or stereo mic modeller left to right.

What is the guitar and fx preset you're working with?

[silon]

First guitar is d048 Drive Guitar with 031 fx guitar amp model + Cabinet.
Second guitar did non come with Kronos. Still its fx is 036 Tube PreAmp Modeling.
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[KingKronos]

It is because of the effects.

The 2nd guitar can be fixed by changing the FX to 37 Stereo Tube.

The 1st guitar will be more tricky. You can try changing from one single effect (31 guitar amp + cab) into two chained effects (some distortion + 29 stereo cabinet).

The challenge is finding a distortion that can be panned. You could try 24 Stereo Waveshaper. The default Rezzo at +12dB scale sounds terrible. But if you reduce the Scale to 0 dB, and experiment with the different waveshapers, some of them actually sound alright. Like sine+saw or zigzag.

Or you could try chaining two Stereo Tube Amp modelers then into a stereo guitar cabinet. If you max out all 4 pre and post saturation and limit their high cut to around 6kHz, it might be good enough? Especially if you make them dry but use velocity at +100 to bring in the tube amp distortions.

[pete.m]

There's an easier way to do it. You can alter the pan on the effect itself, rather than altering the pan on the main page.
Go to the IFX page, and you'll see that you can set the pan for each IFX. Just highlight the pan, hit record and record in your pan settings at the right places. Alternatively, you can open the 'MIDI event edit' page and program in the changes at the right point in the song.
Either way, you're recording a series of CC008 events, which of course you can go back and alter later on if need be.

[KingKronos]

[pete.m]

Ha! I know exactly what you mean - there's so much in the Kronos that you're bound to miss stuff. Nine years and a few hundred songs since buying one, it's still the case that there are many features that I have yet to use. This particular one has been there from the start, I think, or at least from the very early days.

[silon]

Thank you both. Actually, the pan in ifx helped me with this, so I just left pan at 64 on the main page as ifx setting is doing the job. By the way MIDI event edit won't help either. Song finished! Thanks again.
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[pete.m]

Hi Silon, that's great - glad you got your song finished.

Just wanted to come back to you about the MIDI Event Edit thing. It does definitely work.
As an experiment, just record a short phrase with the IFX set-up you mentioned before, and then go into MIDI Event Edit.

Click on the note near where you want the pan to change, and click 'Insert' at the bottom of the screen. That creates a new MIDI event at that point.
By default it will show up as the lowest possible note, C-1 I think. Change the note value to anything above 127 (the highest musical note possible) and you're into the realm of CCs, program changes and pitch bends etc. The possibilities are as follows;
0-127 Note numbers
128 PAFT (poly aftertouch)
129 CTRL (control changes)
130 PROG (program changes)
131 AFTT (aftertouch)
132 BEND (pitch bend)

(I think I'm right about 128 and 131's functions - I only ever use the others).

In this instance, insert a value of 129 and you're creating a control change. CC008 is the one you want for IFX pan. (CC010 is the one to alter the program pan).

It sounds complex, but it's easy and just takes a couple of seconds - one of those things that is easier and quicker to do than to type instructions for.

[silon]

I see what you mean. I sure use cc inserts but I just tried it with cc 010 at first. Thanks for pointing out the different code for ifx pan.
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