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duby2 Platinum Member
Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Posts: 1379 Location: USA Pennsylvania
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:56 pm Post subject: Another viewpoint |
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Another viewpoint
Well we all seen this web
page just another viewpoint.
https://www.elmarherz.de/post.htm#sa070722
translated your good to go..
siebenhirter Alfred from Lower Austria's Weinviertel writes on 07. July 2022 .... some comments about the new KORG Pa5X.....
Hello
the Pa5x operating concept is ok - it is just a bit different than before from the previous models.
Start/Stop buttons are not located in the usual place of Pa-Arranger, but they are available on the far left in the second row of buttons from below (Synchro / Start+Stop).
Surprising is the advertisement for SST (Smooth Sound Transition), which now prevents dropouts when changing the sound of the Pa5x. This will irritate some users, who for many years have vehemently denied complaints about music rippers at Pa4x with sometimes offensive postings.
Fortunately, the double sequencer has finally been adapted in such a way that different and identical data (SMF, MP3, styles) can be played and blended in parallel.
The OS takes into account the general development progress of electronic components, but nothing has been improved on the operating system - only data formats have been changed (e.g. KST instead of SET). Despite the announced sounds, there are no different sound syntheses / waveforms as in the Kronos / Nautilus etc, but the proven sample-based oscillators as before - but no new OS, but this one with a graphically adapted user interface.
Whether and which shortcomings are in the OS of the Pa5x, will possibly show, for example, when converting extensive SETs. Experience has shown that this only results after some time, because the run on successor models is probably not generated by professionals, but by hobby players who do not (have to) attach importance to compatibility and do not convert anything extensive.
If you believe the statements of a specialist dealer/keyboard scout, then many users do not use the extensive features and setting options of the instruments at all, because the factory settings for any kind of music are sufficient for them - so no criticisms would be expected.
Unfortunately, many parameters of the Pa5x can only be stored globally instead of flexibly per KbdSet/Song/Style. Thus, the flexibility with the Pa5x is not achievable even for those hobby players who have understood the features and settings of a Pa3x/800 and knew how to use them!
Korg does not maintain any constructive processes to improve the products in order to remedy such defects. Missing updates in the midrange area are a sad example of this.
Good customer support and communication in both directions should also comment on criticism in forums. That would be a positive commitment - turning off Korg's own forum was the opposite.
lg siebenhirter
Thank you, dear Alfred,
for these explanations of the new Pa5X.
A week has passed since its introduction and, as is customary on the Internet, the fog no longer clears, it condenses.
I am really happy to be able to fall back on your in-depth knowledge if necessary.
And if my homepage can still be used in some areas for the Pa5X, some will probably have to admit that Korg has not developed anything fundamentally new after the Pa4X, and certainly has not further developed proven things from the past.
Greetings to the Weinviertel _________________ The Gold Standard OS 2.2
Pa4X, Pa 1000, Pa3x, Pa800, Pa80, i3 |
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davekalbach Senior Member
Joined: 19 May 2018 Posts: 343 Location: Reading, PA
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Another viewpoint |
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duby2 wrote: | siebenhirter Alfred from Lower Austria's Weinviertel writes on 07. July 2022 .... some comments about the new KORG Pa5X.....
Good customer support and communication in both directions should also comment on criticism in forums. That would be a positive commitment - turning off Korg's own forum was the opposite.
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I've read references to KORG no longer listening on this Forum before. I had always assumed this Forum was created by the Users. Was this originally created and moderated by KORG? _________________ Dave Kalbach
Music Newbie
Bear with Me
Kronos 2, Pa5X, Drumlogue, Stageman 80, Korg D32XD Recorder
Many Guitars, Roland TD-6 V-Drums, a Trumpet (HELP)
And a Kimball Baby Grand Piano |
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10402
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Was this originally created and moderated by KORG?
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No, that was never the case - Korg Forums have always been totally independent and in no way associated with the Korg Corporation.
We have been treated well in the past by the Korg Italy team who often commented and discussed things with us on these forums but that team no longer has permission or authority to do that since management structure changes (I think just prior to PA4x release).
_________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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davekalbach Senior Member
Joined: 19 May 2018 Posts: 343 Location: Reading, PA
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: | We have been treated well in the past by the Korg Italy team who often commented and discussed things with us on these forums but that team no longer has permission or authority to do that since management structure changes (I think just prior to PA4x release).
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Any way to bring that back, or create a new bridge with Korg? Seems a real shame if they didn't at least listen to the users groups. Might go a long way in repairing the communications everyone has been so vocal about as well... _________________ Dave Kalbach
Music Newbie
Bear with Me
Kronos 2, Pa5X, Drumlogue, Stageman 80, Korg D32XD Recorder
Many Guitars, Roland TD-6 V-Drums, a Trumpet (HELP)
And a Kimball Baby Grand Piano |
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rikkisbears Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1691 Location: NSW , Australia
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:03 am Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: |
We have been treated well in the past by the Korg Italy team who often commented and discussed things with us on these forums but that team no longer has permission or authority to do that since management structure changes (I think just prior to PA4x release).
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Hi Pete, you’re kidding, Paolo is no longer able to comment on forum?
They must be totally nuts if that is the case, he or one of the team could have quelled some of the concerns from potential buyers.
The lack of reassurance is the one thing that is stopping me placing an order. ( gather maybe you also ?)
Loved the fact that they used to get input from the members in regards to what features and functions they would like to have. I think they used to listen. One in particular stands out was the 2 fills on the pa800 and members complaining it wasn’t enough. Pa3x all of a sudden we had 4.
Think maybe some of the management needs to be replaced if that is the case, they’re not doing the company any favours. _________________ best wishes
Rikki
HOBBYIST
PA5X 88 note
Wavesart CFX 9ft Grand Piano 🥰
Wavesart Japanese Grand Piano
Yamaha PSR SX900
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karmathanever Platinum Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Posts: 10402
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2022 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Yes Rikki - it is a great shame and one of the reasons I have said a few times not to blame Korg Italy team for anything - their hands are now controlled differently (have been for quite a while).
I agree, it was great to get those feedback messages from the team (but no more!!! ) - great guys and I still fully respect them.
Cheers
P
@Dave
davekalbach wrote: | Any way to bring that back, or create a new bridge with Korg? Seems a real shame if they didn't at least listen to the users groups. Might go a long way in repairing the communications everyone has been so vocal about as well... |
You'd have to approach the restructured management about that. I am hoping they sneakily check out the problem reports here - can't believe they wouldn't, BUT we will not hear from them in these forums. _________________ PA4X-76, Karma, WaveDrum GE, Fantom 8 EX
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rikkisbears Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 1691 Location: NSW , Australia
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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karmathanever wrote: |
You'd have to approach the restructured management about that. I am hoping they sneakily check out the problem reports here - can't believe they wouldn't, BUT we will not hear from them in these forums. |
Hi Pete, sounds mind blowingly stupid to me if that is the case.
Wasn’t aware, haven’t kept up with stuff in the last 4 years or more, Just the odd pop in after I bought the Pa4x for a bit of help.
P.s. did you ever hear from Rob Sherratt again, they were fun years here. _________________ best wishes
Rikki
HOBBYIST
PA5X 88 note
Wavesart CFX 9ft Grand Piano 🥰
Wavesart Japanese Grand Piano
Yamaha PSR SX900
Band in a Box 2023 |
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siebenhirter Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2011 Posts: 1844
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2022 11:35 pm Post subject: Korg forum Germany |
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karmathanever wrote: | Quote: | Was this originally created and moderated by KORG? |
No, that was never the case - Korg Forums have always been totally independent and in no way associated with the Korg Corporation.
We have been treated well in the past by the Korg Italy team who often commented and discussed things with us on these forums but that team no longer has permission or authority to do that since management structure changes (I think just prior to PA4x release). |
That only goes for "www.korgforums.com" but "forum.korg.de" was the official Korg forum of the German-Austrian Korg distributor and was administrated by Korg Support Germany for decades.
The forum was best known among German-speaking users and, according to statistics, there were up to 15,000 visitors per month with around 5 page views per user. _________________ kind regards
- siebenhirter, austria -
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