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[BIF2]

Fellas, my BS detector is going off, with the needle firmly pegged at the "Snake Oil" mark.

But we'll see what happens in July!

[Rob Sherratt]

To quote from Steorn's web site: "Steorn is a leading Intellectual Property development company". I find it telling that there are no published "Intellectual Property" patent applications in Steorn's name. Not one. Not in Europe. Not in the USA. Nowhere. That the above claim is untrue is self-evident. Search the USPTO and EPO application databases if you don't believe me!

There is according to Steorn a "Jury" of the 12 most prominent scientists in the world who are evaluating Steorn's technology right now. Fine, so who are they? Gissa list. Maybe we even heard of one or two of them. Again it's telling that no list of "Jury" members has been published. What possible justifiable reason is there for not publishing the list of those who have been selected?

Having shown that one claim published by Steorn is an outright lie, and that another claim is unjustifiably vague, is it likely that their major claim of an invention that spits on Albert Einstein's life work is true?

And even if they have proved Albert Einstein wrong, don't you think they'd have let out a little hint by now, about which of Einsten's equations contained the mistake?

[Sharp]

[laughing_bear]

Mhhh.... Shall we start betting?

I bet it is a Hoax, by this I mean a marketing stunt, whereby their major claims will prove false, unsustainable.

[BIF2]

I am remembering the many hoaxes, most recently in the area of genetics and cloning.

I hope that this is not the same sort of thing, but as I said before, my BS detector has been triggered. We will see in July, I am thinking that this probably is a hoax.

Hoaxes and scams are extremely detrimental to human advancement because they undermine public faith and willingness to financially support outside-the-box thinking, science, methodologies, technologies, and techniques.


Hey, look at the biggest hoax out there: "Go-L" computers. They still have a website, but just try to find somebody, anybody who has successfully ordered (and received) a computer from them!

[Sharp]

Considering the magnitude of the claim being made, yes it's certainly possible it's a hoax. But when you research the company, there's no reason on earth why they would take on such business suicide unless they actually have something to shock the world.

If it's a hoax, the company will be destroyed. So I see no reason why they would take the risk in pulling such a scam.

Personally, I have lots of hope for these guys. The world needs this badly.

Regards.
Sharp.
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[BIF2]

Hope is fine. I hope, too.

But blind-faith should be reserved for marriages and religions.

[Sharp]

It's not so much blind faith. It's more like.... “There is no spoon”.

For those who don't get that, it's from the Matrix and it basically means anything is possible if you put your mind to it.

If history has thought us anything, it would be that anything is possible given the will and time to develop it or the technology.

Regards.
Sharp.
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[baldo]

I know we don;t want to believe our own conceived laws of physics but... this fellow (he is a true fellow phd) ihas a phd in Nuclear physics and electrical engineering. He has taught @ university and is well published. He comments that it is...

Never going to happen! They mention that ORBO violates the principle of conservation of energy; also that it realizes a perpetual motion machine. Well, there also is the Third Law of Thermodynamics, which they do not mention and which puts the kibosh on perpetual motion machines.

At best they have an efficient energy converter. The reviews will be instructional.

if you have some doubts regarding his opinion post them and i'll retreive an answer from him...
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[laughing_bear]

Interesting, well my understanding is this:

[Timo]

Thing is, there's a distinct difference to the laws of physics that we currently know, and the REAL laws of physics that occur in nature that we don't yet know.

There are many things that we don't know much about, or things that we can't directly measure (yet), but which have huge and integral influence on the world around us without us necessarily knowing or being aware of them. Dark matter, for one instance.

I think it would be arrogant to assume that we know ALL the laws of physics, and to therefore categorically state things definately aren't possible. Our laws of physics will only ever be theories, we'll never be able to prove them. Naturally, the more times that observations of reactions comply with our theories the greater the confidence in them. However, it takes only one mismatch where the result doesn't conform to our theoretical predictions to force us to abandon previous theories and to attempt to seek new theories to fit the new observations.

From 'A Brief History Of Time' by Stephen Hawking...

[Timo]

http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y2qCssSnfV8

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article2737932.ece

http://www.i4u.com/article9971.html
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[Daz]

Outside of the engineering and scientific aspects of this, I like the idea that these guys are a small Irish company rather than an American, Japanese, German or Chinese industrial giant. There's something delightfully unconventional about that and I suspect that if it does work that their altruistic view about sharing this with developing nations etc. could be an important social development.

Daz.

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[Sharp]