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Sharp

Hi all.

Ok, as mentioned in the M3 section, this thread is being started and will be monitored continuously in order to try help people with a few problems that can been seen on the forum recently.

Some of the topics I would like to see discussed here are....

1: Allowing people to express their opinions freely on ALL subjects, even if they are seen as non-korg pro, or not even related to KORG products. We need to work on this so the content is constructive. Being completely negative or the complete opposite does not bring anything to the community.

2: Our utmost important rule, which is equal respect to all members and the freedom of speech.

3: General forum policies and anything you would like to see changed, reviewed or enforced.

So I would like to invite you all to take part in this thread, specially those who are involved in a few threads that fall under these issues, and lets see if we can sort all this out, and find middle ground to more forward from.

I'm going to place all this in the General Music section because I would like to see people talking about non korg issues as well.

Kind Regards.
Sharp.

ricky recordo · Guest

Okay, thanks Sharp.

First off I would like to apologize if I have offended anyone with my posts on this forum. It's certainly never been my intent to do so.

Having said that, I do feel that I have been attacked on many occasions by Martin because he doesn't like my opinions, or the way I express them. I'm sorry Martin, but last time I checked it was a free world (where many of us live anyway) and freedom of speech is not taken lightly.

What I find offensive about your attacks on me, Martin, is not that you disagree with my opinions - more power to ya, brother. It's that you begrudge me the right to voice my opinions in my own way.

Yes, I may come off sounding anti-Korg to you. Maybe that's because you seem obsessive to me in your continual defense of Korg. You'll square off with anyone who has what you perceive to be a negative slant on most any Korg product.

The fact is that I do own a lot of Korg equipment and yes I do love it, and if you say otherwise then you are calling me a liar. I own a lot of other great gear as well, and if someone asks for an opinion or comparison (as in a recent M3 thread), I'd like to feel as though I can freely have my say, without you butting in and making allegations, accusations, insinuations (and all the other "ations" you love to hurl at me).

You seem to revel in exhuming my posts, taking information from them and distorting them way beyond their original intent and meaning. Besides being overtly keen on censorship, you are also (in my opinion) a revisionist of the most frightening kind.

People like you are - in my estimation - a danger to democracy and the right to freedom of speech, Martin.

Let 'er rip... Very Happy

MartinHines · Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject:

SG6 · Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

It's surprising when seasoned pros engage in this type of non-sense.
That's why Tritonhaven dried up. Those once competing ego-maniacs ("Gurus") over there, have all left.

Martin, you're very knowledgeable and all, but you do overly defend Korg. It's quite annoying.
You act like you work for Korg, even more than the guys that do work for them.
If you worked for them, people could understand your defense.
You should go back and look at some of your posts, which can be quite snippy and nasty.
What are you, their ambassador or something?
Tone the ego down.
You probably should go back to Tritonhaven, which you're practically non-existent on and continue the havoc over there.
With all the "Gurus" gone, you should be happy to have it all to yourself.

MartinHines · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:12 am Post subject:

SG6 · Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

It's not important. None of it is.
I just stated my opinion. Something I thought needed to be said. But it's just that, my opinion.
No, I'm not a newcomer to forums. Yes, I use different monikers.
I said my peace. I'm done and I'll move on. Hopefully, everyone else can too.
This is my last post on this subject.
I'm not one to keep adding fuel to a fire.

jazlover · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:00 am Post subject:

In the sacred name of free speech:

Martin I appreciate your opinion. You are far nicer to Senior Recordo than I could be. That is why I am often silent.

It is not surprising that he pounced on this post in order to try to trash your opinion.
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jazzman1 · Senior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 283

My 2c. Martin, you are an inspiration to me and many others as well, but I dont think that you should try to correct a persons way of expessing themself. My comments are far lighter than some but thats me. If we start to measure comments, other than personal, who is to say whats too harsh, me, you? I wonder like hell how could anyone pay 2000.00+ for something that doesnt "seem" to bring them satisfaction, but thats all I do is wonder becausee it is thier poragative thier money. You can say what you want about my equiptment as long as it is not about me personaly I am cool with it. Do i agree with his comments, some. Do I like his aproach, not particularly, but he is talking about a "thing" not a "person" so, it should be taken as, not person(al) but opinion no matter how harsh. Hear is the problem, he is actually talking about his instrument, but you are talking about him, talking about, his istrument. How he see his Korg is how he see his Korg. I personaly dont agree but thats why we have opinions Wink

Lorenzo · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:33 am Post subject:

I just wonder why Sharp opened this thread... I think that it would be more useful to avoid this. A better way is to solve your personal problem by pm and not here in pubblic. This is the best forum I could find and I wouldn't like to see thread like this here around, since the "battle" involve only two people and not all the comunity... Anyway, I'm not the moderator here and Sharp should have had good reason to open this thread... Rolling Eyes

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jazzman1 · Senior Member Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 283

I dont know Lorenzo, think about it, not only did he give them a place to vent, he also allowed for other korg members to view and or comment, only if they desire too. At the same time they can totally avoid it all together. It is your choice. Example, I chose to punch into this " particular thread" with full knowlege of its possible contents. Why well, curious or nosey. Why did you choose to take this rought?

Lorenzo · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:15 am Post subject:

yes, I can see the reason for a thread like this... but since I didn't follow the argument between martin and ricky I just see a "moderated typical internet forum argument" here, I don't want to take part of it in fact I write here not to take the part of one of the two guys, but just to understand if this way to solve this problem could be the right one... do you think that one of the two guys could solve the problem writing here his reasons? I really don't think so, this is why I think that this isn't a useful thread... anyway I can be wrong, so I leave Sharp or Daz who has many more experience than me in moderating a forum the decisions here...
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Sharp · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:54 am Post subject:

Hi Lorenzo.

Lorenzo · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:03 am Post subject:

Sharp · Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:42 am Post subject:

My first comments.

1: Martin does not work for KORG, and he would not be allowed to behave as if he did. So, end of story. He's a regular member just like everyone else.

2: SG6.... Accusing a guy of having ego problems is not constructive, nor is it really respectful. There are better ways to suggest that someone is “passionate” about a given subject. Sounds much better doesn't it Smile

It's also much kinder and it shows concern in a nice way, rather than a insulting way.

3: Respect must be shown in this thread at all times, otherwise this will all end in an argument that will not be resolved. Just like I demonstrated that you could take the word ego and replace it with passionate. Both say the same thing, but one shows concern and respect. You wouldn't be taking part in this thread in the first place if you didn't have some respect for the other person your directing your comments at. So it's nice to be nice.

4: Regarding freedom of speech. Everyone has the right to do so regardless of what side your taking on any given subject. However, people need to know where to draw the line. There is a point where freedom of speech turns into Trolling, and in conflict with the harmony of the community. This simply means, you can make your point no matter what it is, but it does not give you the right to repeat your self in every thread, or chase after certain people all the time on the forum who have a difference of opinion. In this case, those in question need to sort it out, or they will be moderated.

As we have seen in the past with the heavy OASYS threads. It wasn't that they where anti-aosys, it was that those involved took every single opportunity to destroy every thread that started up by reposting all the same comments, and constantly arguing.

Ok, that's all I'm saying for now. So far I'm happy with the way this thread is going in general, but I would like to see others getting involved as there is more than just Ricky and Martin involved.

Regards.
Sharp.