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TrondC · Full Member Joined: 30 Apr 2008 Posts: 238

have you ever actually seen the amount of skill needed to do a good and interesting dj set? I can play keyboard and play some bass pretty easily, but the amount of work you need to do, and do right in performing with turntables, grooveboxes and the like (what most guitarists would think of as not real performance) is overwhelming to me. I've seen people who are more impressive with their groovebox performances than that of technically excellent guitarists/drummers whatever. search for "Wesen" on youtube and watch his 40 min liveset practive. that's a LOT to remember if you want to keep the music moving.

then again, if all you do is press the play button and pretend to tweak knobs, it's not much of a live performance. Nevertheless, anyone who makes music is a musician. Isn't that self-proving considering the meaning of the word "musician"? anyone can make music on an electribe, but anyone can pick up a guitar and play smoke on the water as well. just because a guitar is more physical than a groovebox does not mean it's a more "real" instrument. god I hate people who consider guitars to be the superior of all instruments.
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gil videla · Senior Member Joined: 17 Sep 2008 Posts: 356

Paul
I know exactly where you're comming from.
All I gotta say is if you're having fun doing what you're doing don't stop believing. Forget about the definitions about what is real or not.

RUSH and YES - definitely musicians, without a doubt. I grew up as a teen worshipping Peart, Bruford, etc. Getty (GARY) lee and all that stuff.

I've seen RUSH 100,000 times in concert in my youth and in hindsight I ask "WHY?" are they real musicians yes, but Peart played the same goddamn drum solo for MANY MANY Years, every tour he'd switch it up a little bit. Gary (Geddy) Lee never had no solos, but Peart was note for note the same night after night

SO WHO IS THE REAL MACHINE? EMX or PEART?
Does it matter? NO RUSH sells out every night, even though they are robots! Kraftwerk are the robots too!

No go plugin your emx and get some Tijuaneros groovin!

Dj Pound · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:00 am Post subject:

Ive always considered myself a DJ first and foremost. I look at things, musically speaking from a Dj's point of view, with a DJ's eye for picking things apart and putting them back together again.
When im programming a beat on either the ESX, the ES, or the MPC...im executing musical ideas using all the conventions and principles of that of any other so called "musician".
Im fascinated by technology, and my music, our music..is a product of that technology. Im not ashamed of that at all. I embrace that factor, im a programmer, a beat maker, a crate digger Smile

If quote/unquote real musicians out there dont dig my approach to music thats their problem. But in the end, remember that were all in this for the same thing...THE MUSIC. Who cares how it was made, if its good its good.

The ends justify the means. Simple as that.

Their are no rules to this!

Ruso · Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:12 am Post subject:

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Yatmandu · Full Member Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 162

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laikenf · Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:30 pm Post subject:

These are the instruments of tomorrow. Anyway, you STILL have to compose, arrange, master, etc. everything that's gonna come out of the tribes has to be made by a human.[/u][/i]

zalo · Full Member Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 220

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radiatesky · Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject:

I love my electribes because they are intuitive and smart... they are just as much a "cheat" as a guitar pedal recreating distortion or a synth emulating a piano. It depends on whether you can turn them inside out and make them your own. I guess a classical musician looks down on an electric guitar in much the same way... open your window again.

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nemmo · Senior Member Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Posts: 309

We are in 2009 and it amazes me that this question is still being asked.

Some idiots thought back in the seventies that people who used synthesizers weren't real musicians. Time proved them wrong.

This question isn't even deserved to be asked anymore.

Ruso · Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:27 am Post subject:

hseiken · Joined: 12 Apr 2009 Posts: 6

The name "Musician" implies one who makes music. So yes, if you're making some sort of music with your electribe, and you have some kind of grip on what music is and know a bit of theory, chords, etc...

Congratulations, you are a musician.

Another point to make, playing an instrument is something anyone can do. A monkey can pluck a string. However, someone with training has the skill to make the guitar sound good. Just like someone who's new will pick up an electribe and make simple noises, but practice, they can pound out a track that's deliciously groovy...with more practice, they could very well write a song on the fly and no one would be able to tell if it's live or memorex.

Get Keith Richards in front of an electribe and see what he does. More than likely, he'll make some simple sounds that are far from mature...just like putting an ace electribe-ist behind a guitar will produce less than listenable results.

Only elistist would give a damn, anyway. If you're making music, good for you, if you're not, keep trying. That's the only thing you really have to worry about.

jerseykorg · Joined: 02 Oct 2008 Posts: 35

Oh man, such ignorance. This reminds me of some kid who writes a program in visual basic so thinks he doesn't have to study computer science to be a good programmer.

The best hip-hop producers all have music theory knowledge. Timbaland, Scott Storch and Pharrell some of the hottest producers right now are all versed in music theory. J-Dilla, darling of hip-hop purists, had a jazz bassist as a father and is reported to be able to hear absolute pitch. Furthermore hip-hop beats today are mostly made with synthesizers not samplers.

How can you have a trained ear without music theory? Ear training means being able to identify keys, chords, intervals and time signatures, all of which are matters of theory.

Contrary to popular belief music theory allows you to be more creative because you can actually identify and focus on new ideas instead of just hoping to randomly stumble upon something that sounds good...and you know why that stuff seem to sound good? Because it sounds familiar to your ear, meaning not really creative. Do you real think all these derivative genres built off the amen break are taking music in creative directions?

People without music theory are respected on internet forums, people with music theory are respected at Julliard...

shabudua · Junior Member Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 66

Knowledge of music theory is a powerful and useful thing. The more theory I learn, the more its value becomes apparent. But I won't go so far as to say that it is necessary for the creation of good music.

In my book, the most vital ingredient in good music is sincerity; in other words, a spiritual, emotional investment in your music. Without it, even the most talented, trained, knowledgable musician's work will come across as empty. With it, even the most ignorant novice can create something vibrant and meaningful.