Electribe SX CC Number Assignment

[Beschallungsinstitut]

Hello community,

I`ve been searching alot within this forum, the german korg forum and google, but I don`t seem to find what my problem describes best.
I have an ESX1 and want to change the CC number for a certain controller, for example the cutoff controller.

The manual says that I could assign the values in the Midi Utility on the "CCAsin" Page. The values should be 00..31 and 32..127 as the manual says,
but on my esx I only can choose from 001 to 095, and number 032 ist left out

Am I doing something wrong? is this controller dependent? my OS seems to be version 1.02 (the N_Sys value is "01.02.00")

I hope somebody else had this problem or a solution

thanks and regards
Björn

[TrrP]

Hey man,

I have encountered exactly the same problem. I actually bought the EMX-1 to control my JoMoX gear but I couldn't program CC's above 95 whilst JoMoX gear has CC's after 95.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... highlight=

Check the link above I posted a while back.

KORG WHY???????????? Why don't they change the manual aswell because its deceitful to have this feature included in the manual when it can't actually do this.....

Yes.. I will whine on and on because spending this large amount of money for the EMX that doesn't work as is written in the manual is sad. I am definitely not a noob. This has absolutely nothing to do with my other gear. This is just crap and no word from Korg on this super super super easy to fix issue.
ESX exactly the same problem...

I am still in extasy about how cool the Electribe instruments and other Korg gear is but such a small thing has spoilt alot for me.

[Beschallungsinstitut]

Hey Trrp,

glad to see someone having the same problem but sad that Korg is not willing to fix this

I sold my MC808 from Roland because the ESX is more intuitive and easier for live use - and then I wanted to control my Novation Nova, which uses CCs in the Range from 100 - 109 ( I think the intereting controls happen here, on your Mbase as well?) - I really am a bit angry, because this was one of the features that made me buy that gear.

It's horrible - one eye is smiling because the Electribe is such a f****ing great piece of gear and the other one is crying because of that CC issue.

You know what makes me even more sad? when I solo the keyboard part, my ESX sends NRPN Messages via CC# 98 and 99 (as well as Data Entry, which is CC#6, but this is no problem...). This is 'funny' because CC data above controller number 95 is send and: because my novation nova recognizes these data and changes strange things within it's sound synthesis. The sound from my Nova sounds different when I solo the Keyboard Part

well, I just bought imy ESX yesterday from my dealer, I think I will register it and try to receive tech support directly from korg after registering.

I will update you if Korg gives some useful output.

regards
Björn

[Ruso]

if you are able to pass midi through a computer you can easilly modify cc numbers.... of course do you want to incorporate a computer into what sounds like an all hardware setup...

[Beschallungsinstitut]

that`s exactly it - no laptop on stage

I`ve found a product, but it`s quite expensive....

Description from the manufacturer:

Yes, the MIDI Solutions Event Processor and Event Processor Plus can be
programmed to map incoming CC messages to different outgoing CC messages.
The Event Processor offers 10 settings and the Event Processor Plus offers
32 settings. For more information on the Event Processor see
www.midisolutions.com/prodevp.htm, for more information on the Event
Processor Plus see www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm, or send me an email
with any other questions you have about the products.

Nice gear, but a bit expensive for only mapping four or five cc numbers

[Ruso]

oh ya I forgot about those guys.... ya I agree but actually my buddy novatron uses one of their boxes.... but actually I've heard really good things about the midi event handler you're checking out... best part is that their boxes are passive and run off midi and don't need any extra power(at least not hooked up to most gear)....

[meatballfulton]

CCs above 95 are special purpose. This is why most MIDI products only use CCs up to 95.

Novation uses many non-standard CC mappings on their synths. CC #98/99 should never be used for controller information because so much spec-compliant equipment uses it for the specified purpose of sending NRPNs.

The joke here is that if manufacturers like Novation and Jomox simply used NRPNs (as Korg does), they could have over 16,000 additional controllers each with 14 bit resolution. Instead they choose to use controllers above 95!!! So the problem is really not Korg's (other than the misleading info in the manual).

CC #32 is patch bank select, that is why the Electribes skip over it.

Straight from the MIDI specification:

96 | Data entry +1
97 | Data entry -1
98 | Non-Registered Parameter Number LSB
99 | Non-Registered Parameter Number MSB
100 | Registered Parameter Number LSB
101 | Registered Parameter Number MSB

102-119 | Undefined

120 | All Sound Off
121 | Reset All Controllers
122 | Local control on/off
123 | All notes off
124 | Omni mode off (+ all notes off)
125 | Omni mode on (+ all notes off)
126 | Poly mode on/off (+ all notes off)
127 | Poly mode on

[anselmi]

back in the days of allmighty MIDI there was lot of small boxes to make such things...I remember a "pocket" line from some manufacturer...there´s the pocket merge, the pocket velocity, the pocket you-name-it...

[anselmi]

well, i found the box...the company is ANATEK and the product you need is the POCKET MAPPER

http://www.izcorp.com/about-product-museum.php

[TrrP]

Thanks for your informative reply Meatballfulton.

I also have this info in my midi-handbook. The JoMoX I have uses CC 100 - 107. But... it doesn't matter that they use these CC's. Each of my Midi-instruments is set on a different MIDI-channel. In which way were you thinking they would conflict with each other?

JoMoX are not creating a problem. Nothing ugly is going to happen by sending CC 100-107 to the JoMoX on a different Midi-Channel to the Electribes main send/receive channel (the channel that changes patterns, banks, etc. in conjunction with other Electribes or other gear).

Its not just 'misleading info' either in the manual. Its a total non existing function.


@ Beschallungsinstitut
Thanks for the link.. might check it out if I think its worth the money.

[TrrP]

I sold my MC808 from Roland because the ESX is more intuitive and easier for live use - and then I wanted to control my Novation Nova, which uses CCs in the Range from 100 - 109 ( I think the intereting controls happen here, on your Mbase as well?) - I really am a bit angry, because this was one of the features that made me buy that gear.

I know. I know. I must of read the MX pdf manual like 4 times before deciding on purchasing the MX. I even printed it out to read through. With this feature it sounded like the dream machine + live sequencer in conjunction with my other gear. It was also a decider for me.
In fact I was gullible enough to buy the newer SX because I reckoned this feature would have been implented. Haha, not. Anyway the SX is way cool. Doesn't matter. Even though I can't have smooth transmitions through CC messages I just sample the crap out of the MBase01.

You know what makes me even more sad? when I solo the keyboard part, my ESX sends NRPN Messages via CC# 98 and 99 (as well as Data Entry, which is CC#6, but this is no problem...). This is 'funny' because CC data above controller number 95 is send and: because my novation nova recognizes these data and changes strange things within it's sound synthesis. The sound from my Nova sounds different when I solo the Keyboard Part

There is an easy way around this. Control your Nova with keyboard part two(2). Ofcourse you also must assign keyboard part two with a different midi-channel than keyboard part one. Keyboard part one uses its selected midi-channel to send and receive these NRPN messages.



Anyway. I'm not waiting for anything to happen anymore. 2003 is a long time ago. Just saying: good luck with the music.

[meatballfulton]

Each of my Midi-instruments is set on a different MIDI-channel. In which way were you thinking they would conflict with each other?

In the case of the O.P. he discovered that the Electribe sent out some NRPNs which his Novation synth interpreted as a CC to change a program parameter.

That kind of conflict...

[TrrP]

There is an easy way around this. Control your Nova with keyboard part two(2). Ofcourse you also must assign keyboard part two with a different midi-channel than keyboard part one. Keyboard part one uses its selected midi-channel to send and receive these NRPN messages.

Read above.

In the case of the O.P. he discovered that the Electribe sent out some NRPNs which his Novation synth interpreted as a CC to change a program parameter.

That kind of conflict...

Not a conflict anymore.


In most cases including the above these NRPN's are not OMNI messages. You may choose not to use that channel thus conflict is not needed and can be avoided.

[4stripes]

CCs above 95 are special purpose. This is why most MIDI products only use CCs up to 95 . . . So the problem is really not Korg's (other than the misleading info in the manual).

Dragging this thread from the depths because I've just run into this problem using the DSI Mopho Key as a controller.

This is not entirely accurate. There are usable CC's above 95. The only defined CC's are 120-127 for Channel Mode messages. Everything else should be available. This is squarely a Korg oversight and it's pretty annoying!

Table 3 of the MIDI spec shows this: http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php

And here in laymen's terms: http://www.srm.com/qtma/davidsmidispec.html