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Lorenzo · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:15 am Post subject:

wow, this really relaxed me! I like a lot the prgression of chords and the melody bring me back to this summer in a bar with my girlfriend drinking good wine near the seeside!
way to go!
Regards, Lorenzo
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georgeinar · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:19 am Post subject:

Dee, since you had reverb on the bass, it was lengthening your notes, that what reverb does to some extent, so you are now just hearing the actual note played, now you have to decide if it's just that you're used to the bass sounding more sustained, or if it needs to be more sustained then you'll maybe have to fix that some othe way, as in lengthening the notes if necessary, welcome to mixing and mastering, i do this over and over untlil i finally get a polished result, a guitar track that i'm doing effects on right now isn't working because since i've changed the overall sound of the track now it doesn't fit the spot in the song where it needs to be, so i'm going to re-record the guitar with that in mind, i do this constantly, but if you redo the bass, now you'll be playing it while hearing it thru the compression and you'll know already what it will sound like
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JonSolo · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:44 am Post subject:

And to compliment what George said, most times I play a track (with MAYBE the exception of a lead instrument such as guitar or heavy synth) with no effects whatsoever and then add effects as needed or desired.

That tends to minimize the the number of times I have to redo a track.

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chordial · Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject:

Hey Dee,
This is a great sounding track, reminds me of summer.
Lovely string arrangement too, in fact all the sounds seem to fit so well.
I could imagine this being used in the Italian Job as they drive through the mountains!
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Daz · Retired Joined: 01 Jan 2002 Posts: 10829

Oooh ... yes, very nice indeed. Hearing all these tunes today that have had so much thought/skill put into creating arrangements that maintain interest is worrying me a little Wink

Not my best area. A great tune and beautifully put together !

The only thing I would say, is that the primary piano part is always playing away, doing it's thing. It's a highly subjective thing, but I have to encourage myself to try to play a little less on occasion in instrumental pieces, and not to fill everything with "playing" if that makes sense. Sometimes a little space help to create an atmosphere, tension or even highlight the other busier parts. Is that a valid thought here at all ?

Daz.

DrWho · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:45 am Post subject:

Hi Dee,

Regarding the reverb on your acoustic bass sound, try this:

I took the settings from the Acoustic Bass Master Effect and used as an insert effect. I should have recognized that you were using the Acoustic Bass Prog.

Here are the settings:

Effect #56:Reverb Room
Reverb Time = 1.4
High Damp = 55
Pre Delay = 10
ER Level = 50 EQ
Trim = 100
Pre LEQ Gain = -14
Pre HEQ
Gain = 0
Wet/Dry = 30/70 Src = KnobM4: #21 AMT +100

The last entry assigns to the 4th knob the level - so you can play and tweak until you get the sound you like. I don't know if your TC has this, but I am assuming that all the other efx fields are the same.

Good Luck - let me know if this works for you.

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Diego · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:44 am Post subject:

Hi Dee,

I'm sorry I'm a bit late on your song...
But I'm happy to have had the opportunity to listen to it, it's great!!!
Great arrangment, great sounds...Every day I learn from this kind of good music how the key of the success of a piece sits in the semplicity: 4 or 5 instruments, not a lot of notes, simple chord progressions...the result is a perfect balance of mood, feelings.

Very well done, keep on!!

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ellll · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject:

In fact,

Daz makes an important observation about the use of "silence". I think it is fine the way Dee has performed in this song...BUT a surprise of a moment of silence can be a real "hook" as well, and could be used here...

"Experts" since the 16th century have stressed the emphasis added by that careful moment of silence...A lesson I have never been very good at when writing.. Question

but observed carefully in performance...as a director.

There IS a reason for rests!!

Regards, ellll Rolling Eyes

Diego · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject:

Lorenzo · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject:

Pay attention... silence for diego is no sound but at 0 digital decibel... so maybe you're talking of different things here Laughing

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JonSolo · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject:

Did someone say silence? I have NO IDEA what silence is... Laughing

Thus the title of my CD "The Right to Remain Silent", a right I will NEVER exercise. ha ha ha

Jon

P.S. Yes I do agree with John. A critically timed moment of silence has an incredible impact. That is why I love the old Cingular/ATT commercials.
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Daz · Retired Joined: 01 Jan 2002 Posts: 10829

It's not just "silence" per se, but rather anything that reduces the "energy", so even just a short moment of playing in half or quarter time, or a sustained note or chord.

When I post my piece it has some elements of this ... I am nearly done, but might have to post something somewhat incomplete. Not too bad, in my mind, as I haven't written/recorded a piece of my own work for a year or so. I worked on a friend's songs, but nothing purely of my own. I am a little rusty. So I really appreciate listening to something as fluid as Dee's piece, and thinking about how it's been put together.

Daz.

Dee · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject:

I must confess that I paid more attention to issues of production rather than musicality when I recorded this.

It's great to now step away from the piece and think about all the very valuable things you suggest that can make it better. Like the piano track that just goes on in the same way all the way through. It's all in perfect time and very measured and 'clean' but would be better with some variety.

I'm still fiddling about with the bass track (Thanks Dr Who - I'll try those settings you sent Smile

), and George: I recorded it without any fxs originally, but must have held the notes shorter than I realised.

Yes, the moment of silence in music (ellll), or the change in energy (Daz) can be so powerful......much food for thought here...

Regards from
Dee

georgeinar · Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject:

Dee, you have such a positive creative spirit. And I see myself in your musings here. I go thru my pieces over and over, critiqing for variation, notes held too long without some vibrato or some such thing, instruments that compete on the same notes by accident, i look to see if there's loud and soft portions, whether i build up to something and then don't deliver what seem to want to emerge. I rewrite and tweak endlessly thinking all these things. Also, sometimes an unexpected instrument that wasn't in earlier will come in and just do a few trills or a short melody and then never return. Or the drums will change almost comletely for a bit part before returning. It's such fun to experiment. And until I've tried a zillion things I don't even worry about mixing or effects, except where there fundamental, like if I do a specific beat related delay where you would time the lead notes to work with the delay effect. I can't wait to hear what you do next. This year is going to be a very important year for you and I'm so glad to be part of it.
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