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DrWho Platinum Member
Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1930 Location: CT - USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Convertarpilator - DrWho Feb 08 |
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Whew - and with a couple of days to spare !! I scare myself sometimes!
Actually it does feel good to finally post this thing.
http://www.korgforums.com/mp3/Convertarpilator.mp3
I still need to fix a few things up - lets C how many of them you all
find. So please don't give me - gee thats sounds great as it is stuff
All seriousness aside - I have listened to this way too many times and
have zero objectivity left. In fact I haven't even listened with the head
phones. So I hope at least one of you does - and reports back !!
={> Art _________________ Care for a jelly baby?
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Lorenzo Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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this songs is really interesting, finally an element of innovation in the music with the "kick" of the drums on the right... I would say you should experiment a little more panning it slooooooooowly from the right to the left during the whole song. A thing to do is certainly to pump the volume of the higher pieces of the drum kits and maybe eq them a little in a different way. Just another one, the synth bass sound that create the melody is too loud, I would decrease a little its volume.
This is a strange piece of music, but very interesting, I think it would be perfect as a background for some exposition of technological goodies.
Regards, Lorenzo _________________ http://www.synthaddicted.com |
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Stephen Platinum Member
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Daz Retired
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Re: Convertarpilator - DrWho Feb 08 |
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DrWho wrote: | I have listened to this way too many times and have zero objectivity left. |
I hate that feeling ... I am about there with my piece at the moment, and it isn't finished yet
It's working well for me ... I really enjoyed it, this is right up my alley. The drums seems a little low in the mix to the my taste, but also panned more to one side than the other (LOL, at first I thought it was the big mug of coffee I just put in front of one of them). It's terrible, 'cos I am working, and I am sitting enjoying this piece and its making me want to run off and play with synths.
Forgive my brevity ...
Daz. |
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JonSolo Platinum Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Nice arpeggios and great percussion! Definitely a fun song. You gave us some nice variety with the leads and various sound changes. I am with Stephen...the sounds are great and so is the performance.
At the beginning of the song, there seemed to be some sort of timing issue with the echo or certain notes that were played; at least it felt that way to me...but it worked out once the kick came in. Then again maybe I am just in left field today.
I cannot criticize the drum placement because it is different. The only thing I felt that would make it work better is if you had something opposing it in the opposite channel...maybe a counter beat, but using the same bass harmonics you had on the initial beat. But that is just a first impression.
Also I would have enjoyed it if you had soloed a bit longer and no worries about it coming off as pretentious; it would have worked with the song.
Understated is that fantastic synth bass that comes in perfectly and does not wear you out by droning through the whole song!
Jpn Splp _________________ Jon Solo
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georgeinar Platinum Member
Joined: 15 Jun 2002 Posts: 3425 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Headphones here. Nice crisp sounds. The drums seem panned too far to the right. This kind of music must be really hard, as you've achieved arps and loops that are unique sounding and interesting. Not easy for me usually to do. Somewhat of a Depeche Mode thing in the electronica. Your lead synth is panned dead center, yet the drums are to the right. Everything else seems mixed well in the stereo spectrum. The bass is dead center too. I think the volumes are right on. This is a good electronica piece and sounds original yet not too out there as to be hard to relate to. I'm so glad you got this posted. Good job. These pieces sound much easier to compose than they really are. That's why it helps with the OSAM thing. We can all appreciate what it takes to put these together. Congrats. You're 1/12 of the way there! _________________ George Nelson is 2loose
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Dee Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Hi Dr Who
I loved the electronic sounds - you get that really bouncy, clear and full sound very well. I could imagine this music with something to do with clever gadgets and parts working perfectly together. So many loops and arpeggios and things.
I'm listening again now and hearing a whole lot more than with the first listen.
My only suggestion would be to change the harmonies more often, such as when a new sound enters. But it's still interesting enough just as it is.
And now for some technical suggestions: ..... .... bet you got worried then...
Looking forward to hearing more as the year goes by,
Regards from
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Diego Platinum Member
Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 2882 Location: Italy
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:08 am Post subject: |
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Hi!
I really enjoy the fact of you putted into here a lot of innovations...
Kick's panning, arpeggios, interesting sounds...very nice!!
I just think that the mix should have a little more "pressure and punchyness"; another element, which I think is really important in that kind of music, is the timing: I ear a few issues on some lead parts, but I'm sure it's a minor problem very easy to fix.
Regards _________________ Diego http://www.myspace.com/diegoinmusic
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Lorenzo Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Diego wrote: | I just think that the mix should have a little more "pressure and punchyness" |
Never try to follow this Diego tip... he will never stop to say you need more pressure and punchyness, compression or volume... he would like to hear CD always over the 0 digital db ( ) a constant clip should work for him like the best piece of music in the world _________________ http://www.synthaddicted.com |
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Diego Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Lorenzo wrote: | Never try to follow this Diego tip... he will never stop to say you need more pressure and punchyness, compression or volume... he would like to hear CD always over the 0 digital db ( ) a constant clip should work for him like the best piece of music in the world |
Ahah, maybe he's right...I love "in your face" sound due to my trash metal background!! ahah!
Just kidding (not so much kidding, to be honest...I'm really a metal-addicted), but in that case I would love to have more power in sounds, because I see in that song it's just a matter of little tweaking.
regards _________________ Diego http://www.myspace.com/diegoinmusic
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georgeinar Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: |
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Diego, I didn't realize you were a fellow trash metal freak like me. I listen to metal constantly. Also, industrial. _________________ George Nelson is 2loose
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DrWho Platinum Member
Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1930 Location: CT - USA
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Oh man - I created a reply - it took me 15 mins. and it got lost - aaarghhh!!!
Okay - to start again .................
I forgot to say that I used an M3 and its Karma v2 for this tune, and a PC for recording.
There is this show over here in the states called How Its Made. They show lots of footage of high volume manufacturing machines sucking in raw material, cooking / baking / reforming / stretching matter, then spitting out a product which is then post processed for shipping. This show is what I had in mind when making this tune.
One thing I wanted feedback - which I got - on was the panning. It seems most prefer more center panned drums. For me it was an experiment, and I actually liked the results.
Anyways thanks for all your feedback !!
Lorenzo:
Yes - I could experiment more w/panning but probably will not due to time. I have to start my March tune. Ya no, I think your right - the drums are a bit muffled sounding - that one I can fix easily. Ahh but I love the bass punch Actually I had to beat back the highs on the arps as they were piercing my skull.
Stephen:
I just love them synth sounds - they inspire me.
Daz:
Your post about the coffee mug was funnny
JonSolo:
I triple checked the timing at the beginning - I believe it is correct - but I had the same impression when I originally built that part. There is almost a hesitation for the arp there. And yes, I think that if I had a bass line thru the whole tune, then some low end spectrum would be both channels. Alternatively I could've panned just the hi hat and cymbals over there, but that would still leave a spectrum shift. Maybe Stephens recommendation to center the kick would work. Re: solo - yes it is too short as is the whole tune, just over 3 mins.
George:
I used Karma for the most of the variations, and the drums (which I tweked here and there after the fact). I think pure synth. music like this (light and fun) is easier to do since syncing up is all in the digital domain. When I do tunes whre I play bass or guitar - ugh - major sync. issues. Of course, if my playing wasn't so sloppy it would be easier. And umm .... 1/6th of the way there
Dee:
Yes - I tried to limit changing too much at once - say an arp with a new voice. I think there are really only 2 arps in there - and most of the tune is in one chord - there are only 2 chords actually. So yes - from that viewpoint it is very simplistic.
Diego:
I;ve been warned about your punchiness (Thanks Lorenzo - otherwise I would've been thinking about this too much). But you did notice my sloppy lead!! And you right - it isn't tight. But that is one piece I didn't say the midi - shame on me - so I have to play it again.
Thanks for all your feedback. I will work in some of these things before posting to Sound Click.
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JonSolo Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Who,
If you want to center the kick that is fine. I liked it where it was, but just wanted something to help offset it in the right channel. On the other hand, that may change the nature of your song too much, therefore defeating the way you wrote it.
No matter what, keep your other percussive parts panned because that is just a great effect.
Jon _________________ Jon Solo
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ellll Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Art!!,
Found this to be both interesting and "pretty" with enough variation to keep the interest!! Would like to have seen more definition on the synth pad melodic content near the middle...not sure how, however ..
Drums fine, but I felt a stronger kick might be of benifit...
I also, as Jon. felt a better pan plan might be of use in bringing out the melody content...BUT..This genre is hard for me, and others probably have better helps on the way than I...
Right up my listening alley, anyway!!! I really enjoyed it!!
My Regards!! ellll (John) |
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Diego Platinum Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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georgeinar wrote: | Diego, I didn't realize you were a fellow trash metal freak like me. I listen to metal constantly. Also, industrial. |
Oh Yes George!!!
My daily bread are Nevermore, Fear Factory, Static X, Dimmu Borgir and stuff like that!
Of course, sometimes I think I'm quite crazy because I listen to electronica, too; and I play classical, choral, jazz...well, now I consider myself an open-minded musician, but in the early ages I was such an integralist
regards _________________ Diego http://www.myspace.com/diegoinmusic
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