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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: OK, silly question, but: Reply with quote

Don't laugh! Laughing

I recall reading a question on a music forum (not sure if it was this one) where someone asked why a keyboard like the Triton or Motif weighs so much more than, say a Yamaha PSR keyboard.

One of the responses was: "they put weights in pro keyboards." Is this just nonsense, or true? I mean.....lugging my heavy synths around is becoming a chore, and, if this is true, are those weights removable?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSR keyboards are made of plastic, aren't they?

really, my m3-73 weights 17 kg, while the m3-m is less then 5 kg
that means the keybed weights 12 kg and guess what? it's hollow with no bottom, a metal frame + the keys
if anything is attached there, it's somewhere in the keys... I don't think they'd do that
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltan wrote:
PSR keyboards are made of plastic, aren't they?


Yes, that's true. But my M3-61 has a plastic chassis, and it's a lot heavier than I expected.

But....my heaviest synth is a Kurzweil K2661. Now I know the chassis is metal, but it has to have something inside to give it all that weight! Even the power supply can't be that heavy.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korg has produced base 61 key models at 31 lbs.
Trinity 31.42 lbs, Triton 31.31 lbs, Extreme 31.75 lbs, M3 31.08 lbs

A base K2661 weighs in at 32 lbs (Unless the specs posted on their website have changed).
A base MOTIF XS6 weighs in at about 32 lbs.

Other than weighted keys, there aren't any removable weights in keyboards.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I figured the statement "they put weights in pro keyboards" was a bunch of crap.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually a good bit of the weight comes from the power converter. Most high end keyboards have the converter built in so that there is no confusion when plugging in the power cable which can lead to a blown board if you plug in the wrong type. Cheaper keyboards use wall warts which some can be quite heavy...but can be confusing. I blew my old Korg Poly 800 because I plugged in an 18v box when it only wanted 12v.

Also there is much more processing being done in higher end keyboards, so you find heat sinks on the processors...something you do NOT find in lower end all-in-one machines.

Also as mentioned, the chassis is made of steel or some other heavy metal...mostly to endure years of road service. I have also found primarily in Korg that each of the outputs are reinforced and sometimes encased for their protection. As you add all of this up together you can add 10-15 lbs in just extras to make the keyboard sturdy.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tritex4 wrote:
A base K2661 weighs in at 32 lbs (Unless the specs posted on their website have changed).


Maybe the guy that assembled mine left all his tools and cell phone inside! That's one heavy synth.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Synthoid wrote:
tritex4 wrote:
A base K2661 weighs in at 32 lbs (Unless the specs posted on their website have changed).


Maybe the guy that assembled mine left all his tools and cell phone inside! That's one heavy synth.

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Yeah man,
I suspect, they may have posted the wrong specs. Shocked

I've noticed that some synths weigh a ton, compared to others that are basically the same
dimensions. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, my old Roland D-50 seems light compared to my new keyboards.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't you know?

In an effort to reduce carbon emissions from the manufacturing process of plastic and other light-weight materials for keyboard assembly, all companies are now replacing environmentally unfriendly components with solid granite.

This is why keyboards rock Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Triton Studio as well as my Triton Extreme have waits! But they are labeled "Pause" on both of them. Shocked I don't see how taking them out would make the board any lighter?! Idea Rolling Eyes

[this is where Greg and Mark will usually chime in.......]

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah I figured the statement "they put weights in pro keyboards" was a bunch of crap.


My Ole O1W-PRO-X 88 has weights in it.
The thing would nearly break your arms hauling it to gigs which I did - but wouldn't do now.

The weights are from the old "Weighted" action which used weights somehow to mimic a real piano feel.
Weighs a Ton!

Now however most PRO-88 boards use a hammer action system - a whole lot lighter!

AFAIK

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ausser wrote:
My Ole O1W-PRO-X 88 has weights in it.
The thing would nearly break your arms hauling it to gigs which I did - but wouldn't do now.


I don't know how people move those 88-key monsters without help.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Try Lugging a K2600X and a Motifes 88 around to gigs!! You bunch of girls!! Razz j/k WHAAAAA!! Start working out and the keyboards become amazingly lighter!! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Start working out and the keyboards become amazingly lighter!!


Laughing LOL ,thats so true, although sometimes I think I should've became
a singer, turning up to a gig with a nice little mic. in a nice little pouch
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