TR88 question - changing between sounds quickly

Erulisse · Post by **Erulisse** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:32 am

Hi, I've recently purchased a Korg TR88 and haven't figured out how to change quickly between sounds. Is there a way of programming a sound into a button so you just hit one button to change between one and another in less than a beat? I'm sure this must be possible or else it'd be pretty useless when playing in a band. Replies would be greatly appreciated! Thanks

Tiayviel · Post by **Tiayviel** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:39 am

Foot pedal is the way. Just save the sounds in a specified order, and then simply press the pedal and you'll switch to the next sound.

Erulisse · Post by **Erulisse** » Fri May 30, 2008 1:30 pm

How do I save sounds in an order? Do I need the official Korg pedal to do this? Which bit do I plug it into? At the moment I just have quite a cheap one from my old keyboard

sonaroid · Post by **sonaroid** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:45 pm

I have same issue too, not only with TR, but with any keyboard. Why don't they make row of programmable buttons just for program changing? There is enough space on the front panel. Imagine if you can program each button to select bank and patch. Wouldn't it be easy and convenient?

I have an idea of some midi device named Programmable Patch Changer. It has to be compact box with nothing but 32 buttons and some simple interface for programming those buttons. Unfortunately I have no technical skills to assemble such a device, it's just an idea. If somebody knows how to realize such a project, please let know.

This imaginery device might be looking like this

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I'm talking about ability to select any patch on any keyboard by pressing only one button. Let's take for example Korg TR. To select patch you have to press bank letter, then dial patch number on the numeric keypad, then press Enter. That's a lot of button pushing especially in the situation of live performance. Granted, I can save needed patches to the first ten numbers of one of the banks, then press Hold 10's. In that case I can select first 10 patches by pressing buttons from 0 to 9. But what if I need more than 10?

With my hypothetical device I can select up to 32 patches on any keyboard without rewriting or reorganizing patches in user banks. This device has to be thin and compact enough to place it on the front panel of any keyboard.

Erulisse · Post by **Erulisse** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:26 am

Haha, that would be brilliant! However, for now, can anyone help me with how to do this? This technical stuff is quite new to me - I was used to a good old electric piano until now! And I'm not finding the manual particularly user friendly...

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:18 pm

the way i do this is to que them up in subsequent songs in the sequencer the order i need them. Then you can use programs or construct complex combis. then i use the inc/dec button to go the next/previous one. unfortunately the pedal does not work with this method, but pressing one button is fine.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:16 pm

X-Trade wrote:the way i do this is to que them up in subsequent songs in the sequencer the order i need them. Then you can use programs or construct complex combis. then i use the inc/dec button to go the next/previous one. unfortunately the pedal does not work with this method, but pressing one button is fine.

How were you able to maintain the effects, joystick control, (organ leslie effect), and knob control?
I use a TR, and a KARMA, and when I tried the sequence thing, I lost effects first, then found that I could copy from program on the Karma, but not the TR.
In short, I'm desperate to find a quick method of changing patches, but I'm afraid if I just save them to A-01, 02, etc, that I'll screw up the combis that use those programs.

Fatalmasterpiece · Post by **Fatalmasterpiece** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:11 pm

sonaroid wrote:I have same issue too, not only with TR, but with any keyboard. Why don't they make row of programmable buttons just for program changing? There is enough space on the front panel. Imagine if you can program each button to select bank and patch. Wouldn't it be easy and convenient?

I have an idea of some midi device named Programmable Patch Changer. It has to be compact box with nothing but 32 buttons and some simple interface for programming those buttons. Unfortunately I have no technical skills to assemble such a device, it's just an idea. If somebody knows how to realize such a project, please let know.

This imaginery device might be looking like this

================================

I'm talking about ability to select any patch on any keyboard by pressing only one button. Let's take for example Korg TR. To select patch you have to press bank letter, then dial patch number on the numeric keypad, then press Enter. That's a lot of button pushing especially in the situation of live performance. Granted, I can save needed patches to the first ten numbers of one of the banks, then press Hold 10's. In that case I can select first 10 patches by pressing buttons from 0 to 9. But what if I need more than 10?

With my hypothetical device I can select up to 32 patches on any keyboard without rewriting or reorganizing patches in user banks. This device has to be thin and compact enough to place it on the front panel of any keyboard.

I have one of these on my korg. It's called a Midi Pedal. I keep telling people about this and this has got to be the tenth post on the topic of "how do I quickly change my patches". It's a midi pedal, that's how you do it. You hit, write combination on your Korg and put them in order. Then, your buttons on the pedal correspond, 1,2,3,4 etc. EASY.

I use this for all my live shows. Works like a charm. All you have to do his hit up for the next row of 5. It is doubtful you would need more than 5 at any given time.

X-Trade · Post by **X-Trade** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:39 pm

Stephen wrote:
X-Trade wrote:the way i do this is to que them up in subsequent songs in the sequencer the order i need them. Then you can use programs or construct complex combis. then i use the inc/dec button to go the next/previous one. unfortunately the pedal does not work with this method, but pressing one button is fine.
How were you able to maintain the effects, joystick control, (organ leslie effect), and knob control?
I use a TR, and a KARMA, and when I tried the sequence thing, I lost effects first, then found that I could copy from program on the Karma, but not the TR.
In short, I'm desperate to find a quick method of changing patches, but I'm afraid if I just save them to A-01, 02, etc, that I'll screw up the combis that use those programs.

there is a shift option, like enter + rec/write or something similar, which inserts the selected combi or program into the next free song, ready to record. this is documented in the manual and the parameter guide i believe.
you can then alter it from there. alternatively make your own effects settings or copy them by hand (a bit boring).
personally i find it is important to tailor the sounds a bit to be more individual.

nikola81 · Post by **nikola81** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:07 pm

Why don't you put all your sounds in one bank from 13 to 99 and you only need to press two buttons. Making and using some midi controllers sounds way more work for me.
You can also use 10's hold function.

Stephen · Post by **Stephen** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:14 pm

You hit, write combination on your Korg and put them in order.

If I do that, it's problem solved, I can just use the wheel, or an arrow button, I wouldn't need that thing!
I'm trying to avoid relocating my patches, but that may end up being my solution.

sonaroid · Post by **sonaroid** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:54 am

Stephen wrote: I'm afraid if I just save them to A-01, 02, etc, that I'll screw up the combis that use those programs.

This is exactly what I' talking about!
I want to select patches by pressing only one button (from 16 or even 32) , and I don't want to reorganize or rewright default patch order.

If somebody knows a company or a person who can built abovemensioned custom device, please let me know. This device would work for any keyboard.

nikola81 · Post by **nikola81** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:36 am

You can buy a laptop, connect a usb cable and find a software for the thing you want to do.

sonaroid · Post by **sonaroid** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:13 am

Too much fuss. All I need is compact box with 16 (or even 32) buttons which I can connect to any keyboard, program my favorite patches; then play selecting sounds with single button.

Fatalmasterpiece · Post by **Fatalmasterpiece** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:10 pm

Or you could just find a section of patches you think you will never use and override them, solving all your problems