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umanid · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:26 am Post subject:

Hi Rob, Sharp & Nedim,

I would like to begin with the submission of my appreciation to you guyz for putting in such an effort, coordination and time to work on such a project. Its people like you who make this world a much better place, especially in this era. I thank you guyz on behalf of all the forum members and wish you the best of luck.

Rob, I do understand what it takes to work on such a project and bringing down the file size to atleast 50 MB, but can u figure out is there any way at all to reduce this file size further? You see, with this 50 MB set, as one of you said earlier, that would be all what we'll have on a Pa800 with not much more Sad

I have always wanted a Steinway piano on my Pa800 & now I can hopefully see it materialize, thanks to you. I just love the Steinway and could die for it.

Waiting anxiously and patiently for this sound Smile

Warm wishes & best of luck guyz,

Umair

Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

I just paid $100 for a licensed copy of Awave Studio which Nedim recommended. It can apparently generate full multisamples in Korg format so I will try that. I hope this is not another blind alley!!

Best regards,
Rob

Sharp · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject:

Hi Rob.

Lee · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject:

Sharp,
I am thinking of buying a sample editing program...I have Chicken Systems Translator, and I'm looking at Awave...
Which one do you use/recommend?

Thanks,
Lee

Sharp · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:

Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

Hi Sharp,

Very nice demo, thanks a lot. Extreme Sample Converter seems to be a bargain at 80 Euros. Maybe I should have been a bit more patient Laughing

Anyway I'm once again making progress, with combination of WavePad and Awave Studio, just have to redo everything with automatic AGC like you said.

Best regards,
Rob

Lee · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject:

Sharp,
Very nicely done..thanks very much...
So, for import to PA we would select Aiff as the output?

If we start with very good sample quality...we should also get very good new sounds (sample quality)??

If a sample is at the correct sample rate...why does the program have to re-sample the sound? Would it not be beter to not convert the samples, but use them in their native format?

Thanks,
Lee

Sharp · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:42 pm Post subject:

Lee · Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

Sharp,
Thanks for the answers...hey your up late???

I now have to find out how to know what sample rates the Kurzweil samples I have are at...any idea how to know?
Translator PRO does not tell me the sample rate of what I am converting.
Based on your answers...I do not want to loose quality by changing sample rates.

After your demo...I am more than likely getting the Extreme Sample Converter (you should get a commission Smile

Lee

mrkorg · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:18 am Post subject:

Awave studio has to be one of the best software available. For all who have purchased it or are intending on buying it, you won't regret it. Just make sure you familiarize yourself with the software by downlonloading the 30 day trial version.
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Rob Sherratt · Platinum Member Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 4590

Stage one of building the new Steinway piano is now complete, and I have a working set of 29 FF samples running on my Pa2x, and a new piano sound called "SteinwayFF RX".

The progress is due mainly to advice from Sharp and Nedim, plus Awave Studio which quickly constructed the complete multisample in Korg Triton format, and the Pa2x imported it no problem. So I had little editing to do on the Pa2x itself. I am still using WavePad to process the raw samples one at a time, because it has some better audio processsing algorithms than Awave Studio. Every Steinway sample needs slightly different processing to get it right, I cannot apply a single set of automated parameters to the whole lot like on Sharp's very slick video!!

I cannot for the life of me get the ADSR envelope shapers to work on the Pa2x/Pa800. The problem is that there is a single ADSR envelope which you are supposed to apply to a complete multisample. Well, how the hell can that work when a C0 note has a length of 15 seconds, and a C8 note has a length of less than a second? It's no use at all.

So I have had to go back to source samples, unlooped, and without levelling, and I am shaping the tails using Wavepad so the volume tapers off to silence giving me a sensible sample size.

I recorded an MP3 while practicing and listening to the new Steinway FF samples. If anyone else wants to listen to it, then send me an email and I'll send you the .ZIP file containing the MP3 recording. You can review the sounds and feedback on this thrread if you like.

The remaining work is as follows:

Fine tune some of the samples that were out of tune.
Construct a 29 sample Steinway MF multisample
Construct a 29 sample Steinway PP multisample
Import those two multisamples to the Pa2x
Construct velocity layer mapping
Play around with EFX

There is still a bug on the Pa2x OS2.01 where it will not import .AIF sample files correctly. I sent one of the files to a friend in Korg in the hope it might get resolved in future. Anyway, for now I have a workaround by using Awave Studio to construct the multisamples in Korg format.

Best regards,
Rob

macboy · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:17 am Post subject:

Hi Rob !

I would like to express my gratitude to you and your work. I think you are one of the best making this for yourself and after that sharing it with the rest. I know that you are also doing this as a learn curve: you know if you can beat this one, you can do it all Smile

The sampling possibilities offer a new world to any one starting to experimenting with this. I really like your efforts and explaining.

Also my thanks for Sharp and others offering side help. Especially Sharp for the very clear Quicktime video !! I think your tutorial is great and would work for a lot more problems of users: which program did you use to record your audio and to capture the screen ? I think this is the best solution for the wikipedia ! It works brilliant. Thanks.

Great work you all !!!!!!!!

I am just missing the expertise opinion of Nikola on this one Smile

And what does Assyrianpianist think of this ? I think they haven't seen this thread both of them.

nikola81 · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:47 am Post subject:

Sharp · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:54 am Post subject:

mrkorg · Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject:

Rob,

So you have your PA2X back, how is it?
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