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[Conkrete]

This has only been an issue with one short (1-2 second) bass sample of mine so far. I simply took a longer (near 5 seconds) sample and tried looping again with no problem. It was a triangle wave with uniform volume. Most of the time I just sample 10 seconds of a tone at the highest pitch I want to use it at as an instrument. I rarely care to have one note ride that long without re-triggering it myself anyway...mainly because of how the built in sequencer plays (muting a note is the same as manually releasing it, as if it were key gated and not one-shot). I do have to say that I've had more loop editing frustration using the dials/knobs on the keyboard then I have using the software editor.

[thuggy_bear]

Well, the only thing I've had problems with have been my Elka organ sounds, which are very complex. I need to have a crossfade between the beginning and end of the loop.

Which- I mean, c'mon!- was build into the ASRX from the early 90s...

... as my drummer/keyboardist friend keeps telling me.

[Conkrete]

The ASR10 was, and still is, a beast. It was similar to the Roland W-30. The Roland S-10 (released in '91 or '92 I think) had a powerful set of sample envelope controls too...including what they called "loop back" which is basically like "ping pong" (plays forward then backward, then forward, etc. in a continuous loop). You could set a loop within a sample, allowing for a realistic initial hit sound and then a looping tone. That system works perfectly with short samples to create more realistic instruments from samples. It even had a tremelo/vibrato effect that sounded great with rhodes, wurlitzer, piano, organ, celesta...pretty much anything in my opinion. Those keyboards were built rugged like tanks also, with lots of metal! The lack of any feature remotely resembling this on the MS1 is disappointing, but with MIDI I can use the MS1 to trigger samples on the S-10. It would have been wise of KORG to implement envelope controls, even if only basic ones.

[jtag]

I def agree wit thuggy, if someone can find 1 decent function in the MS please let us know! Im tryin to use it in my studio but i always have another gear doin whatever job in a better way ... damn even the 15$ intua beatmaker app for iPorn loops n trims better than the MS ...
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[Conkrete]

@jtag: The FX are quality, the keys have a great feel, the sampling process is extremely easy and convenient (for line in or mic sampling live instruments), it's portable enough to use in any gig setting, it works as a solid MIDI controller for my software (EnergyXT and FL8), I can easily control it with my Roland and BOSS gear (and vice versa), it was reasonable in price, I can back up my work quickly via USB, the editor software lets me create sample banks on the PC...I could list more if you really care to hear them. Did you research the product at all before you bought it? I'm assuming not since you say you already have gear that does everything the MS does. Don't blame a machine for your poor investment decision. Every piece of equipment has flaws in my opinion, but it's how you make use of the equipment that matters. The MS is no exception. Even with its flaws I find the MS very useful in my studio, as my research in this product (before my purchase) indicated it would be.

[3sleeves]

It would be nice if the window could be expanded horizontally. It's just silly that it can be maximized vertically to full screen, but not horizontally. Also, some better envelope controls (add partial looping, may require firmware update for that though) and advanced editing features (basic filters and EQs that could be applied separate from the master FX) would be handy. A basic step sequencer should be included as well for editing patterns recorded on the MS. Overall, the software isn't great by any means, but I still find it to be a good accompanying piece that adds a little convenience...maybe it's just skid-marked pants, not totally poopy.

[thuggy_bear]

[Conkrete]

@thuggy_bear: Fanboy? I'm suggesting that a purchase decided by research shouldn't leave the buyer so bitter. When a user posts only complaints it seems obvious that some user error is occurring. All of the major shortcomings on the MS are mentioned in this forum. The few videos that are out accurately portray the MS doing what it can do (nothing more though, obviously indicating that there are some expected features lacking). The only KORG product I ever owned before the MS was the KP1, which was also buggy (and eventually crapped out at a gig), but very fun and useful nonetheless. Jtag posed a question and I responded. I agree that some work should be done on KORG's part to rectify user complaints, but continuous product bashing is pointless. Making the editor into a very basic DAW would be ideal in my opinion.

[MartinHines]

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[laikenf]

One thing is for sure though: at least in my days people didn't waist time complaining about gear, people learned them from the inside out instead; figuring out ways to achieve specific objectives with a device, communicating with the machines we purchased so that we can make them WORK for us and not against us. It's never easy and it takes time, determination and focus to make the most of any piece of hardware; and it is very normal to bump in to shortcomings we wish weren't there. But complaining instead of overcoming will never get you there and in some cases limits your creativity.
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[Conkrete]

Here's a feature I just got perfected...pattern switching at bar line. In GLOBAL settings you can set the PATTERN CHANGE to BAR LINE. This allows me to make the first pattern the main 8 bar pattern, then each following pattern is a fill with one less bar (2 is 7 bars, 3 is 6 bars, 4 is 5 bars, etc.) which I can switch to after the first so many bars of the number 1 pattern. It's a really handy way to keep some variety in the beat for a live jam without having to think too much. This post may not fit this thread, but it's a useful tip and I felt obliged to share.

[thuggy_bear]

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[Griffin Avid]

Now, I'm sure all of you fanboys out there will be in danger of breaking a finger with angrily typing that someone who would so unreasonably expect 1993 functionality in a 2010 device, should just go out and buy an ASRX.

I would take into account that the ASR is/was a workstation that cost $2,200 USD when it dropped. Just becasue it now costs $400 on ebay doesn't mean that any modern gear costing anywhere near that should do more.

I have some issues with the limitations of the microSAMPLER, but I remember it's a MICRO sampler and stop trying to make it or treat it like a workstation.
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[thuggy_bear]

I'm sorry, but have you even read any of the above posts?

The sample editor software which runs on a computer does not do crossfades.

a) this is something that samplers have done for 15 years on hardware less powerful than my cell phone

b) is something that your home computer can easily do, should someone take a few hours to program it

c) the lack of this obvious and acceptedly standard feature which could be easily implimented on my computer requires me spend hours recording into my DAW, editing in my DAW, transferring into the Korg sample editor, re-editing, and then transferring into the microSampler for testing.

I'm not asking for the microSampler to do ANYTHING IT DOESN'T ALREADY DO. All I am asking is that someone spend what would probably amount to less time than I am spending to edit the samples to install a simple crossfade tool into the software which runs on my computer.

A crossfade tool. On my computer. Get it?

Is there anyone here who is actually saying that this would be hard? Time consuming? Not useful? Too hard to do? Unreasonable?

[Conkrete]

Dude, if it's really grinding your gears this bad then software may be the least of your issues. It seems like this product has caused you enough grief to warrant returning it or reselling it and using the money to get the ASRX you really want (I didn't type that with any anger and none of my fingers were at risk of breaking anytime during the typing process). Not everybody who thinks you are going overboard is a "fanboy" or "schoolmarm" who is defending KORG blindly. To add region looping or sample crossfading would probably still require at least some sort of firmware update on the MS (since it's more complex than just a trigger control feature which the MS is currently capable of executing).
Seriously, if you know another machine or DAW can do what you want then use that instead...that's basic common sense. The software is very basic, true, but not entirely useless. I still don't understand why you can't just take a longer sample of the organ (which you have at your disposal and could just play alongside the MS anyway) and not worry about looping a shorter sample.
It's like you've bought a snowmobile and you're complaining that it's a shittier 4-wheeler than the 4-wheeler your buddy has from 15 years ago. Different products do different things. The way I see it you can either learn to live with the workarounds (since complaints aren't always rectified by manufacturers), or get the equipment that has the features you want and not have to use those workarounds (logical, no?). Whatever you decide, please stop beating a dead horse...and remember, I'm not a fanboy, schoolmarm (who says that these days anway?), or in anyway affiliated with KORG or their subsidiaries (take notice I suggested using non KORG products).

Are you a programmer by the way? If so, perhaps you could find the proper venue for offering your assistance to KORG. Contacting a representative of their human resources department may get you in the door faster than repetitive rants and generic insults in this user forum. Judging by the amount of time you spent trying to recreate a single tone (seems like OCD behavior to me), finding this contact information shouldn't take a significant bite out of your busy schedule. If you are not a programmer, please read this post again...especially the part about beating a dead horse.